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<blockquote data-quote="nevin" data-source="post: 8137588" data-attributes="member: 7024481">Wow...&nbsp; that's a sad list if that's all you've ever had to worry about in a D&amp;D game.&nbsp; My parties have built kingdoms, installed kings,&nbsp; established Keeps and built out fiefdoms, because of them I've got a city that is the lace producing capital of the world. (something I never planned).&nbsp; And all of that is stuff that can be on the table. Reputations, property, Followers, Orders, Kingdoms, Navies, It can all be affected by thier actions good or bad. If you let the players pursue their plans you'll be surprised how much it expands the actual consequences you can use on them. I've had players blow all Their riches saving a kingdom, sacrifice thier character and willingly die for the cause. Retire to marry their love and roll a new character.&nbsp; Make choices that ruin the reputation of the order they built from the ground up.&nbsp; &nbsp; Sounds like you think D&amp;D is just dungeon crawls and taking out pirates.&nbsp; &nbsp; Those mechanical things get you through the fights.&nbsp; In a really good game players get so invested in thier personal goals (that don't have to derail the game) that level loss, death, etc are probably the least scary or effective things I can do to them.Now that means as DM you have to back off a little and let them do things that may put you way out of your comfort zone.&nbsp; But it is worth the effort.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="nevin, post: 8137588, member: 7024481"] Wow... that's a sad list if that's all you've ever had to worry about in a D&D game. My parties have built kingdoms, installed kings, established Keeps and built out fiefdoms, because of them I've got a city that is the lace producing capital of the world. (something I never planned). And all of that is stuff that can be on the table. Reputations, property, Followers, Orders, Kingdoms, Navies, It can all be affected by thier actions good or bad. If you let the players pursue their plans you'll be surprised how much it expands the actual consequences you can use on them. I've had players blow all Their riches saving a kingdom, sacrifice thier character and willingly die for the cause. Retire to marry their love and roll a new character. Make choices that ruin the reputation of the order they built from the ground up. Sounds like you think D&D is just dungeon crawls and taking out pirates. Those mechanical things get you through the fights. In a really good game players get so invested in thier personal goals (that don't have to derail the game) that level loss, death, etc are probably the least scary or effective things I can do to them. Now that means as DM you have to back off a little and let them do things that may put you way out of your comfort zone. But it is worth the effort. [/QUOTE]

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