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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7596764" data-attributes="member: 6919838">Like a great mzny things it has meaning in contrast and context to other things.It is most often used not in isolation, as you present it here, but in contrast to &quot;challenge the player&quot; in the sense of differentiating between two types of challenges...The imp asks you a riddle &quot;what starts with &quot;tee&quot; ends with &quot;tee&quot; and has &quot;the in it?&quot; &quot;Tee&quot; indicates a phonetic expression, not actual spelling. This challenges the players explicitly, has no tie to character or character ability and every character has equal chances st it cuz its dolelymplayer side - its even totally focused on&nbsp; english language spelling, real world to drive the totally player side basis.Another might be the 3 gallon jug 5 gallon jug or any number of other logic problems.On the other hand, challenge that character is one where in addition to player choices the actual PC traits are a necessary component needed for the solution. So, different characters might have very different chances or even no chance. Does the imp give clues instead of riddles, maybe verses of a song, but each is in a different language within the world so that the character with multiple languages get more verses with key clues that let them get closer to the solution and control of the outcome?Are clues hidden or in difficult to get to places or basically in some wsy going to require some PC trait chouces yo be important to the outcome?That's the context and contrast, like warm vs cold, that spotlights the two terms.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7596764, member: 6919838"] Like a great mzny things it has meaning in contrast and context to other things. It is most often used not in isolation, as you present it here, but in contrast to "challenge the player" in the sense of differentiating between two types of challenges... The imp asks you a riddle "what starts with "tee" ends with "tee" and has "the in it?" "Tee" indicates a phonetic expression, not actual spelling. This challenges the players explicitly, has no tie to character or character ability and every character has equal chances st it cuz its dolelymplayer side - its even totally focused on english language spelling, real world to drive the totally player side basis. Another might be the 3 gallon jug 5 gallon jug or any number of other logic problems. On the other hand, challenge that character is one where in addition to player choices the actual PC traits are a necessary component needed for the solution. So, different characters might have very different chances or even no chance. Does the imp give clues instead of riddles, maybe verses of a song, but each is in a different language within the world so that the character with multiple languages get more verses with key clues that let them get closer to the solution and control of the outcome? Are clues hidden or in difficult to get to places or basically in some wsy going to require some PC trait chouces yo be important to the outcome? That's the context and contrast, like warm vs cold, that spotlights the two terms. [/QUOTE]

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