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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7596963" data-attributes="member: 6919838">Again, challenge the character is not meant to include &quot;not challenging the player&quot; in its basic definition. Its defining a case where the character traits are an integral part to overcoming the obstacle.Your attempt to divorce it from player challenge is the misconception.Its contrast is most obviously shown by the ones above, but any challenge in which the overcoming can be accomplished without reference to character, basically by any character, would likely be a &quot;challenge the player.&quot;For your example, assuming the bonus to the roll came from a character trait, then it's a challenge the character. The choices the players made at chargen or beyond are bring shoen to have meaning and relevancy.&nbsp; Contrast that to a teapot riddle challenge where you can pop in or out most any character and the same results occur if the player gives the same statement. There, it doesnt matter who the character is or what the choices on chargen etc were.Challenge the character obstacles bring both player choice of actions&nbsp; at the moment and character differences into the resolution.Challenge the player only brings in the player choice of actiins at the momrnt.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7596963, member: 6919838"] Again, challenge the character is not meant to include "not challenging the player" in its basic definition. Its defining a case where the character traits are an integral part to overcoming the obstacle. Your attempt to divorce it from player challenge is the misconception. Its contrast is most obviously shown by the ones above, but any challenge in which the overcoming can be accomplished without reference to character, basically by any character, would likely be a "challenge the player." For your example, assuming the bonus to the roll came from a character trait, then it's a challenge the character. The choices the players made at chargen or beyond are bring shoen to have meaning and relevancy. Contrast that to a teapot riddle challenge where you can pop in or out most any character and the same results occur if the player gives the same statement. There, it doesnt matter who the character is or what the choices on chargen etc were. Challenge the character obstacles bring both player choice of actions at the moment and character differences into the resolution. Challenge the player only brings in the player choice of actiins at the momrnt. [/QUOTE]

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