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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7598174" data-attributes="member: 6919838">I do not step that far. So, I dont see the connection. When it comes to the insight vs lies etc, I tell the player what their character picks up.&nbsp; There is a big difference between &quot;the signs you can see point to him being truthful&quot; (or the more common language &quot; he seems to be telling the truth&quot;) and &quot;you believe them&quot; So, in my games part of.the &quot;on the same page&quot; we get to early is that at any time it's my intent as GM to actually say &quot;these thoughts are in your head&quot; it will be far more explicit than that. That these are just ways of describing what characters perceive. I am not a GM who says that the consequence of failed insight checks etc must be the PC belief, not at all. I got lots more ways to make that check meaningful. But I dont see any linkage between that and the character challenge issue myself. But I certainly suppose someone could. If the whole deception vs insight us in a GMs mind a test of the player, then yeah, I suppose it's possible that leads to something very different on a failure than I might give.&quot;Yeah, that guy in the bar was full of it. I watched him and saw a couple obvious whoppers, a few sky ones and hey, probably missed some. You gotta get up pretty early in the day to fool... to...&nbsp; hey... where is my pouch? The pouch with the ring we found! It's missing? How did it... wait... what... what halfling? I didn't see no halfling... I was watching the... oh crap.&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7598174, member: 6919838"] I do not step that far. So, I dont see the connection. When it comes to the insight vs lies etc, I tell the player what their character picks up. There is a big difference between "the signs you can see point to him being truthful" (or the more common language " he seems to be telling the truth") and "you believe them" So, in my games part of.the "on the same page" we get to early is that at any time it's my intent as GM to actually say "these thoughts are in your head" it will be far more explicit than that. That these are just ways of describing what characters perceive. I am not a GM who says that the consequence of failed insight checks etc must be the PC belief, not at all. I got lots more ways to make that check meaningful. But I dont see any linkage between that and the character challenge issue myself. But I certainly suppose someone could. If the whole deception vs insight us in a GMs mind a test of the player, then yeah, I suppose it's possible that leads to something very different on a failure than I might give. "Yeah, that guy in the bar was full of it. I watched him and saw a couple obvious whoppers, a few sky ones and hey, probably missed some. You gotta get up pretty early in the day to fool... to... hey... where is my pouch? The pouch with the ring we found! It's missing? How did it... wait... what... what halfling? I didn't see no halfling... I was watching the... oh crap." [/QUOTE]

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