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<blockquote data-quote="Monayuris" data-source="post: 7598326" data-attributes="member: 6859536">I'm not sure how it is possible to create a character without player agency.Again, even in the most strictest hard coded mechanic-heavy games. It is always the player who chooses to implement the abilities of the character. I guess if you want a game where only the character is challenged, you would end up with a pretty boring game.I imagine it would work like this:DM: You enter a room. It is DC 15Player: My character rolled 18!DM: You solved the room... next room..Perhaps reducto ad absurdum, but it is what I think of when I see a lot of modern D&amp;D game play. When, as a DM, you describe a room and you just allow a skill roll, you are boiling your game down to this. Every time you allow a player to just make an investigation check or whatever, you are just running through the above; but just with more words and flowery descriptions... but the end result is just that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Monayuris, post: 7598326, member: 6859536"] I'm not sure how it is possible to create a character without player agency. Again, even in the most strictest hard coded mechanic-heavy games. It is always the player who chooses to implement the abilities of the character. I guess if you want a game where only the character is challenged, you would end up with a pretty boring game. I imagine it would work like this: DM: You enter a room. It is DC 15 Player: My character rolled 18! DM: You solved the room... next room.. Perhaps reducto ad absurdum, but it is what I think of when I see a lot of modern D&D game play. When, as a DM, you describe a room and you just allow a skill roll, you are boiling your game down to this. Every time you allow a player to just make an investigation check or whatever, you are just running through the above; but just with more words and flowery descriptions... but the end result is just that. [/QUOTE]

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