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<blockquote data-quote="5ekyu" data-source="post: 7598824" data-attributes="member: 6919838">&quot;As an add, when people respond to the goal and approach by claiming that you can pass off a low CHA-no-social-skill character because you, as a player, can talk well, you've completely missed the point. I'm not judging how you acted out your goal and approach, I'm judging your goal and approach. &quot;Just pointing out that wasn't bring said here. The &quot; not talking about flowery language&quot; and &quot; not acting&quot; is not what was just being put forth by Hussar.Also if you just thought now was a good time to discuss other issues grest.But, I can tell you that I can usually pick up on the subtle clues about NPCs personality, motives, etc presented by GM I have played with. I can formulate a very good set of arguments or presentations of deals to align our goals etc. So, if its just me... no stat involved... I would say easily I can play thru as 14 or better charisma without touching a fie - regardless of character - so if my GM showed me that those kinds of things were enough to resolve without checks, plus inspiration on hand whrn I do get stuck with a toll, then I would have almost no reason to put more than an 8 in cha - unless it's a casting stat. It would gain me almost nothing in a game and definitely not be worth putting a 14 there and accepting-3 for those ability scores ehere checks- were more common. At that point, your system is better off removing Cha as an ability score. But it's not about the player acting... it's about the player being better at navigating the social landscape than the PC.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="5ekyu, post: 7598824, member: 6919838"] "As an add, when people respond to the goal and approach by claiming that you can pass off a low CHA-no-social-skill character because you, as a player, can talk well, you've completely missed the point. I'm not judging how you acted out your goal and approach, I'm judging your goal and approach. " Just pointing out that wasn't bring said here. The " not talking about flowery language" and " not acting" is not what was just being put forth by Hussar. Also if you just thought now was a good time to discuss other issues grest. But, I can tell you that I can usually pick up on the subtle clues about NPCs personality, motives, etc presented by GM I have played with. I can formulate a very good set of arguments or presentations of deals to align our goals etc. So, if its just me... no stat involved... I would say easily I can play thru as 14 or better charisma without touching a fie - regardless of character - so if my GM showed me that those kinds of things were enough to resolve without checks, plus inspiration on hand whrn I do get stuck with a toll, then I would have almost no reason to put more than an 8 in cha - unless it's a casting stat. It would gain me almost nothing in a game and definitely not be worth putting a 14 there and accepting-3 for those ability scores ehere checks- were more common. At that point, your system is better off removing Cha as an ability score. But it's not about the player acting... it's about the player being better at navigating the social landscape than the PC. [/QUOTE]

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