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<blockquote data-quote="Guest 6801328" data-source="post: 7598829">Let's say I play a Sorcerer, and I &quot;dump&quot; both Strength and Int with 8's in each.&nbsp; (I won't even go into the fact that an 8, with a 5% penalty, isn't even really that low.)&nbsp; For some reason the sorcerer is separated from his party and now he needs to push a mine cart loaded with heavy silver ingots up a steep ramp, and you (the DM) have already decided that it's a DC 18 Strength check to accomplish this, and if two characters try it then the guy with the lower score makes the roll with advantage.&nbsp; A failed check means the cart makes an attack roll against the pushers, possibly doing a lot of damage.But then I say, &quot;Hey...I just thought of something.&nbsp; Those ingots weigh 10 pounds each, right?&nbsp; Heck, even with my 8 Strength I can carry 10 pounds.&nbsp; I'll just carry them up one at a time.&nbsp; I may be weak, but I've got Endurance (15 Con)!&quot;Question(s): Do you still require a DC 18 Strength check, or does this approach succeed automatically (if taking longer)?&nbsp; Is it unacceptable that a character with &quot;only&quot; 8 Int would think of this plan?&nbsp; Am I &quot;using talky talky&quot; to &quot;game the system&quot; to &quot;avoid playing the character I made&quot;?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Guest 6801328, post: 7598829"] Let's say I play a Sorcerer, and I "dump" both Strength and Int with 8's in each. (I won't even go into the fact that an 8, with a 5% penalty, isn't even really that low.) For some reason the sorcerer is separated from his party and now he needs to push a mine cart loaded with heavy silver ingots up a steep ramp, and you (the DM) have already decided that it's a DC 18 Strength check to accomplish this, and if two characters try it then the guy with the lower score makes the roll with advantage. A failed check means the cart makes an attack roll against the pushers, possibly doing a lot of damage. But then I say, "Hey...I just thought of something. Those ingots weigh 10 pounds each, right? Heck, even with my 8 Strength I can carry 10 pounds. I'll just carry them up one at a time. I may be weak, but I've got Endurance (15 Con)!" Question(s): Do you still require a DC 18 Strength check, or does this approach succeed automatically (if taking longer)? Is it unacceptable that a character with "only" 8 Int would think of this plan? Am I "using talky talky" to "game the system" to "avoid playing the character I made"? [/QUOTE]

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