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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 7599031" data-attributes="member: 6801845">[MENTION=6801328]Elfcrusher[/MENTION], can you define your &quot;alternative method&quot; for a low charisma character achieving a social goal.&nbsp; Because when we ask for examples it's &quot;use the key to open the locked door&quot;.&nbsp; Well, duh.&nbsp; Of course you can bypass a locked door by using a key.&nbsp; You can smash it down if you don't mind the noise and the fact that you're breaking the door.But it's the same as bypassing a trap.&nbsp; Want to open a trapped chest?&nbsp; You either have to use a skill or find the instructions on how to bypass the trap in my campaign.&nbsp; If you're trying to get past a trapped door and can just bypass it by going around, why wouldn't you?So for social encounters what are your options. Bribery?&nbsp; Blackmail? The former may not work or you may have insufficient items of value, the latter is assuming you have a &quot;key&quot; (aka &quot;dirt&quot;) and are willing to use it*.&nbsp; It also assumes that you do either of those without insulting the NPC.&nbsp; In other words in my campaign you could try those but best it would do would be to give you advantage and a lowered DC. Even then I'd still probably make it a 5 unless it's incredibly good leverage.Which leaves us with &quot;make a compelling argument&quot;, which gets translated into &quot;good talkie-talk&quot;.*Which actually goes for both blackmail and bribery.&nbsp; A lot of players would find those options a no-go, not to mention possible negatives in the future.&nbsp; If your PC uses blackmail, you've created an enemy.&nbsp; Bribery?&nbsp; Charges of corruption.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 7599031, member: 6801845"] [MENTION=6801328]Elfcrusher[/MENTION], can you define your "alternative method" for a low charisma character achieving a social goal. Because when we ask for examples it's "use the key to open the locked door". Well, duh. Of course you can bypass a locked door by using a key. You can smash it down if you don't mind the noise and the fact that you're breaking the door. But it's the same as bypassing a trap. Want to open a trapped chest? You either have to use a skill or find the instructions on how to bypass the trap in my campaign. If you're trying to get past a trapped door and can just bypass it by going around, why wouldn't you? So for social encounters what are your options. Bribery? Blackmail? The former may not work or you may have insufficient items of value, the latter is assuming you have a "key" (aka "dirt") and are willing to use it*. It also assumes that you do either of those without insulting the NPC. In other words in my campaign you could try those but best it would do would be to give you advantage and a lowered DC. Even then I'd still probably make it a 5 unless it's incredibly good leverage. Which leaves us with "make a compelling argument", which gets translated into "good talkie-talk". [I]*Which actually goes for both blackmail and bribery. A lot of players would find those options a no-go, not to mention possible negatives in the future. If your PC uses blackmail, you've created an enemy. Bribery? Charges of corruption.[/I] [/QUOTE]

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