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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7599312" data-attributes="member: 22779">This, all about this.The whole goal:method approach is all about the declaration.&nbsp; Whether or not you need to make a roll is based on the declaration.&nbsp; Whether you have advantage/disadvantage on the roll is based on the declaration.&nbsp; It makes the declaration very, very important.&nbsp; The actual skill of the character only comes up after the declaration, and, even then, only if the declaration triggers a skill roll called for by the DM.&nbsp; Who judges that declaration?&nbsp; The DM, of course.&nbsp; Which places the DM front and center of all player facing actions.&nbsp; Which means that since the character's abilities don't come up until after that judgment, the character's abilities are less important than the player's ability to make declarations.&nbsp; They have to be.&nbsp; So, the player uses his Noble background to get past the gate guards.&nbsp; To me, that's not goal:method.&nbsp; That's pretty much purely a character challenge.&nbsp; The player looked at his character sheet which tells him that, as a Noble, he can do this.&nbsp; It's no different than the player casting a spell or making an attack.&nbsp; It's based on the character's abilities, not on the player's abilities.&nbsp; IOW, there was no &quot;method&quot; being declared here.&nbsp; Any player decisions were made at chargen and not during the challenge.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7599312, member: 22779"] This, all about this. The whole goal:method approach is all about the declaration. Whether or not you need to make a roll is based on the declaration. Whether you have advantage/disadvantage on the roll is based on the declaration. It makes the declaration very, very important. The actual skill of the character only comes up after the declaration, and, even then, only if the declaration triggers a skill roll called for by the DM. Who judges that declaration? The DM, of course. Which places the DM front and center of all player facing actions. Which means that since the character's abilities don't come up until after that judgment, the character's abilities are less important than the player's ability to make declarations. They have to be. So, the player uses his Noble background to get past the gate guards. To me, that's not goal:method. That's pretty much purely a character challenge. The player looked at his character sheet which tells him that, as a Noble, he can do this. It's no different than the player casting a spell or making an attack. It's based on the character's abilities, not on the player's abilities. IOW, there was no "method" being declared here. Any player decisions were made at chargen and not during the challenge. [/QUOTE]

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