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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7599818" data-attributes="member: 22779">Heh.&nbsp; Ok, fair enough.&nbsp; Setting aside all snark, despite that being somewhat funny, I do agree with you actually.&nbsp; I honestly think that the difference between us is pretty small at the end of the day.&nbsp; Really, about the only difference is that I will skip the step where the DM calls for a roll, sometimes.&nbsp; Otherwise, most of our scenes will play out exactly the same.I recently had a perfect example come up in our Dragon Heist game last session.&nbsp; During the session, the PC's finally retrieve the Macguffin, only to be ambushed by Bregan D'arthe (sp) drow.&nbsp; Fight ensues.During the fight, half the party runs away with the Macguffin, leaving the other half of the party to slow down pursuit.&nbsp; One of the PC's left behind announces that she will show the fake Macguffin that the party has (that they picked up in an earlier session) and declare that she has the real thing, in order to confuse the pursuers.&nbsp; She then rolls a Deception check without me asking.&nbsp; I roll Insight checks for the drow and play continues.Now, as I understand it, the big difference here between me and [MENTION=97077]iserith[/MENTION] is that [MENTION=97077]iserith[/MENTION] will call for that Deception roll rather than the player simply going ahead and doing it.&nbsp; Our group skips that step simply out of expediency really.&nbsp; We're all experienced gamers and most of us have DM'd for a lot of years.&nbsp; We know, pretty accurately, what declarations will call for a roll without being told.&nbsp; Again, it's simply an extension of play experience and experience with playing with each other.&nbsp; OTOH, I doubt that the outcome would be any different at [MENTION=97077]iserith[/MENTION]'s table.&nbsp; And, really, I suppose this is a good example of goal:method, with the change that we skipped a step.&nbsp; Now, frequently, again because we've played together so long, we don't even need to make a declaration - it's a common enough action that it's just understood.&nbsp; &quot;I scout ahead - Stealth X&quot; is a perfectly acceptable thing to do at my table, again, because everyone understands exactly what's going on and there's no need to add in the extra steps of the DM asking for rolls.&nbsp; So, yes, [MENTION=97077]iserith[/MENTION], I do think that we're actually quite a bit closer than different.&nbsp; I might skip over some steps and take larger assumptions in others, but, since we've played together so long, it's pretty easy to know where the lines get drawn.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7599818, member: 22779"] Heh. Ok, fair enough. Setting aside all snark, despite that being somewhat funny, I do agree with you actually. I honestly think that the difference between us is pretty small at the end of the day. Really, about the only difference is that I will skip the step where the DM calls for a roll, sometimes. Otherwise, most of our scenes will play out exactly the same. I recently had a perfect example come up in our Dragon Heist game last session. During the session, the PC's finally retrieve the Macguffin, only to be ambushed by Bregan D'arthe (sp) drow. Fight ensues. During the fight, half the party runs away with the Macguffin, leaving the other half of the party to slow down pursuit. One of the PC's left behind announces that she will show the fake Macguffin that the party has (that they picked up in an earlier session) and declare that she has the real thing, in order to confuse the pursuers. She then rolls a Deception check without me asking. I roll Insight checks for the drow and play continues. Now, as I understand it, the big difference here between me and [MENTION=97077]iserith[/MENTION] is that [MENTION=97077]iserith[/MENTION] will call for that Deception roll rather than the player simply going ahead and doing it. Our group skips that step simply out of expediency really. We're all experienced gamers and most of us have DM'd for a lot of years. We know, pretty accurately, what declarations will call for a roll without being told. Again, it's simply an extension of play experience and experience with playing with each other. OTOH, I doubt that the outcome would be any different at [MENTION=97077]iserith[/MENTION]'s table. And, really, I suppose this is a good example of goal:method, with the change that we skipped a step. Now, frequently, again because we've played together so long, we don't even need to make a declaration - it's a common enough action that it's just understood. "I scout ahead - Stealth X" is a perfectly acceptable thing to do at my table, again, because everyone understands exactly what's going on and there's no need to add in the extra steps of the DM asking for rolls. So, yes, [MENTION=97077]iserith[/MENTION], I do think that we're actually quite a bit closer than different. I might skip over some steps and take larger assumptions in others, but, since we've played together so long, it's pretty easy to know where the lines get drawn. [/QUOTE]

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