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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7602945" data-attributes="member: 22779">But, what if the poster is reporting satisfaction with their game experience?&nbsp; Why point out the &quot;rules book from some other game&quot; to those posters?&nbsp; What are you trying to prove?&nbsp; No one who is arguing with you here is saying, &quot;Well, my game sucks, but, I'm not doing it your way.&quot;&nbsp; What you've gotten as counter arguments is, &quot;We are running games that work quite well but, we aren't doing what you are advocating, therefore, what you are advocating isn't really universal, regardless of what the rules say&quot;.&nbsp;[MENTION=4937]Celebrim[/MENTION], I largely agree with what you've said, with a slight amendment that, as a DM, I tend to fob off a lot more authority at the table onto the players.&nbsp; While I understand the notion that letting players have limited fiat control might be off putting to some, I find that since each player has their own fiat control powers, it becomes more a sense that everyone at the table is contributing towards authoring the game, rather than the DM being so central to the larger campaign.&nbsp; And, just because Bob adds in &quot;Frances is my friend&quot; to use an example, doesn't mean that the scene suddenly becomes a non-issue for the rest of the group.&nbsp; As far as everyone else is concerned, does it really matter if &quot;Frances is Bob's friend&quot; comes from Bob or the DM?&nbsp; Either way, the rest of the group now has more information in the scene to work with.&nbsp; I just don't have a real problem with a player adding in elements like this.&nbsp; And, since 5e does allow for this sort of thing by leveraging backgrounds, nemesises (nemesi?) and the like, I find it encourages players to become more grounded in the campaign and thus, more immersed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7602945, member: 22779"] But, what if the poster is reporting satisfaction with their game experience? Why point out the "rules book from some other game" to those posters? What are you trying to prove? No one who is arguing with you here is saying, "Well, my game sucks, but, I'm not doing it your way." What you've gotten as counter arguments is, "We are running games that work quite well but, we aren't doing what you are advocating, therefore, what you are advocating isn't really universal, regardless of what the rules say". [MENTION=4937]Celebrim[/MENTION], I largely agree with what you've said, with a slight amendment that, as a DM, I tend to fob off a lot more authority at the table onto the players. While I understand the notion that letting players have limited fiat control might be off putting to some, I find that since each player has their own fiat control powers, it becomes more a sense that everyone at the table is contributing towards authoring the game, rather than the DM being so central to the larger campaign. And, just because Bob adds in "Frances is my friend" to use an example, doesn't mean that the scene suddenly becomes a non-issue for the rest of the group. As far as everyone else is concerned, does it really matter if "Frances is Bob's friend" comes from Bob or the DM? Either way, the rest of the group now has more information in the scene to work with. I just don't have a real problem with a player adding in elements like this. And, since 5e does allow for this sort of thing by leveraging backgrounds, nemesises (nemesi?) and the like, I find it encourages players to become more grounded in the campaign and thus, more immersed. [/QUOTE]

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