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<blockquote data-quote="iserith" data-source="post: 7602988" data-attributes="member: 97077">Fair play, since I provided my own diagnosis for you as you say. However, I think it's more simple: I say what I do in my games e.g. players don't ask to make checks. Someone responds to ask why or to criticize my choice (fair enough), often someone who already knows the answer, perhaps adding that he or she does that and his or her game works fine. I say something like, &quot;I do it because there is nowhere in the rules that say players ask to make checks and all sorts of places where it says the DM asks for checks. I'm just doing what the rules say.&quot; Objections ensue. Page numbers are referenced. More objections follow, often with silly examples. People who use similar methods as me or who at least understand what I'm saying jump in. At some point I may say that I don't run all games the same way. That gets ignored. Then I try to say something like, &quot;Hey, if you're in my D&amp;D 4e game, ask to make checks all you want. It's says that's cool right there in the book, go nuts. Different games, different approaches.&quot; Same deal with players having more control over the environment. But that distinction gets ignored. Then there's a lot of defending &quot;playstyles&quot; which I never actually attacked. It's weird, but thankfully it appears to be confined to just a handful of posters.You may ask why I allow it to continue. Well, for the same reason I've been slaying the same ol' goblins since the early '90s in D&amp;D games - for the XP.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="iserith, post: 7602988, member: 97077"] Fair play, since I provided my own diagnosis for you as you say. However, I think it's more simple: I say what I do in my games e.g. players don't ask to make checks. Someone responds to ask why or to criticize my choice (fair enough), [I]often someone who already knows the answer[/I], perhaps adding that he or she does that and his or her game works fine. I say something like, "I do it because there is nowhere in the rules that say players ask to make checks and all sorts of places where it says the DM asks for checks. I'm just doing what the rules say." Objections ensue. Page numbers are referenced. More objections follow, often with silly examples. People who use similar methods as me or who at least understand what I'm saying jump in. At some point I may say that I don't run all games the same way. That gets ignored. Then I try to say something like, "Hey, if you're in my D&D 4e game, ask to make checks all you want. It's says that's cool right there in the book, go nuts. Different games, different approaches." Same deal with players having more control over the environment. But that distinction gets ignored. Then there's a lot of defending "playstyles" which I never actually attacked. It's [I]weird[/I], but thankfully it appears to be confined to just a handful of posters. You may ask why I allow it to continue. Well, for the same reason I've been slaying the same ol' goblins since the early '90s in D&D games - [I]for the XP.[/I] [/QUOTE]

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