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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7602992" data-attributes="member: 22779"><p>Fair enough. But, that's not really a problem with shared authority. That's a problem with Bob or the DM. If everyone is earnestly attempting to make the game better, then there shouldn't be too many problems.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Meh, it's as simple as, "Well, everyone at the table has a stake in making the game as interesting for everyone as possible." The notion that the DM, by virtue of the DM, somehow has a better sense of what's best for the table than anyone else at the table, let alone everyone else at the table, is a very traditional approach to gaming, but, hardly the only one.</p><p></p><p>Your example, like your previous examples of other styles of play, shows a pretty strong bias for dysfunctional tables. I'm trying pretty hard to think how a player could justify completely rewriting an NPC that the DM has proposed in play - turning Grog the orc henchman into Francis my friend. How would that possibly be fun for the table? I can't really connect the dots there.</p><p></p><p>OTOH, this human gate guard suddenly being my friend Frances the Gate Guard is a fairly easy line of logic to follow. The Player has introduced fiction that melds with existing fiction and the challenge is now for the other players and the DM to run with this new fiction. I can certainly see how that works. </p><p></p><p>Then again, I do not draw such a hard line about what constitutes an RPG. The notion of passing the notebook to author the story, while simplistic and not really much of a game that I would enjoy too much, is close enough to an RPG that it passes my sniff test. </p><p></p><p>IOW, if everyone at the table is operating in good faith, then there is no problem. The traditional structure where the DM is the sole authority over everything that isn't a PC, isn't the only way to play an RPG. Heck, <a href="https://www.ironswornrpg.com/" target="_blank">Ironsworn</a> is a fantastic example of an RPG that can be played with a DM, without a DM, or even solo. Fun game that I SOOO want to play.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7602992, member: 22779"] Fair enough. But, that's not really a problem with shared authority. That's a problem with Bob or the DM. If everyone is earnestly attempting to make the game better, then there shouldn't be too many problems. Meh, it's as simple as, "Well, everyone at the table has a stake in making the game as interesting for everyone as possible." The notion that the DM, by virtue of the DM, somehow has a better sense of what's best for the table than anyone else at the table, let alone everyone else at the table, is a very traditional approach to gaming, but, hardly the only one. Your example, like your previous examples of other styles of play, shows a pretty strong bias for dysfunctional tables. I'm trying pretty hard to think how a player could justify completely rewriting an NPC that the DM has proposed in play - turning Grog the orc henchman into Francis my friend. How would that possibly be fun for the table? I can't really connect the dots there. OTOH, this human gate guard suddenly being my friend Frances the Gate Guard is a fairly easy line of logic to follow. The Player has introduced fiction that melds with existing fiction and the challenge is now for the other players and the DM to run with this new fiction. I can certainly see how that works. Then again, I do not draw such a hard line about what constitutes an RPG. The notion of passing the notebook to author the story, while simplistic and not really much of a game that I would enjoy too much, is close enough to an RPG that it passes my sniff test. IOW, if everyone at the table is operating in good faith, then there is no problem. The traditional structure where the DM is the sole authority over everything that isn't a PC, isn't the only way to play an RPG. Heck, [url=https://www.ironswornrpg.com/]Ironsworn[/url] is a fantastic example of an RPG that can be played with a DM, without a DM, or even solo. Fun game that I SOOO want to play. [/QUOTE]
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