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<blockquote data-quote="Pielorinho" data-source="post: 1010075" data-attributes="member: 259">More questions:-The polymorph spell caps the HD of the turned-into creature at 15 HD.&nbsp; Wildshape says, &quot;This ability functions like the polymorph spell, except as noted here.&quot;&nbsp; It goes on to say, &quot;the new form's Hit Dice can't exceed the character's druid level.&quot;&nbsp; I assume that wildshape removes the HD cap?&nbsp; Otherwise, the abgility to wildshape into a huge elemental isn't particularly useful, since huge elementals have 16 HD.-Polymorph doesn't mention gaining the feats of the new form.&nbsp; I'd assume that this means you'd don't gain those feats, except for how bloody complicated this can make things.For example, I want to wild shape into a rhinoceros.&nbsp; Perfectly reasonable, right?&nbsp; I get the creature's attack routines:&nbsp; Gore +13 melee for 2d6 +12.Except I notice that Rhinos normally get the feat Improved Natural Attack (gore).&nbsp; So I look that up, and discover that &quot;the creature's natural attacks are more dangerous than its size and type would otherwise dictate.&quot;&nbsp; I see that the feat causes a natural weapon's damage to increase by one step -- in this case, from 1d8 to 2d6.Do I get this feat?&nbsp; If not, does my attack do 1d8+12 or 2d6+12 damage?&nbsp; Am I really going to have to go to this much work to calculate attacks and damages when I wildshape?&nbsp; Do I need to watch out, similarly, for weapon finesse, weapon focus, multiattack, and improved natural armor.Gah!&nbsp; I'm very happy with the Masters of the Wild Wildshape rules, and very unhappy with these.Daniel</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Pielorinho, post: 1010075, member: 259"] More questions: -The polymorph spell caps the HD of the turned-into creature at 15 HD. Wildshape says, "This ability functions like the polymorph spell, except as noted here." It goes on to say, "the new form's Hit Dice can't exceed the character's druid level." I assume that wildshape removes the HD cap? Otherwise, the abgility to wildshape into a huge elemental isn't particularly useful, since huge elementals have 16 HD. -Polymorph doesn't mention gaining the feats of the new form. I'd assume that this means you'd don't gain those feats, except for how bloody complicated this can make things. For example, I want to wild shape into a rhinoceros. Perfectly reasonable, right? I get the creature's attack routines: Gore +13 melee for 2d6 +12. Except I notice that Rhinos normally get the feat Improved Natural Attack (gore). So I look that up, and discover that "the creature's natural attacks are more dangerous than its size and type would otherwise dictate." I see that the feat causes a natural weapon's damage to increase by one step -- in this case, from 1d8 to 2d6. Do I get this feat? If not, does my attack do 1d8+12 or 2d6+12 damage? Am I really going to have to go to this much work to calculate attacks and damages when I wildshape? Do I need to watch out, similarly, for weapon finesse, weapon focus, multiattack, and improved natural armor. Gah! I'm very happy with the Masters of the Wild Wildshape rules, and very unhappy with these. Daniel [/QUOTE]

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