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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7193285" data-attributes="member: 996">Well, you see, the fighter is supposed to be better at fighting (with weapons), and the wizard's supposed to be good at casting oodles of reality-warping all-powerful spells.  Even if the fighter has 20 BAB and the wizard 10, that's not really shaking out in the fighter's favor too dramatically.  But when the fighter is +6 prof with his weapon, and the wizard is also +6 prof, he's gotta wonder about his career choices... Meh, it was an exaggeration.  At first level, the  12 STR wiz was +1 and the 16 STR fighter +4, and it only got worse from there, but he was in the running for a little while.  Besides, he could just cast Tenser's Transformation or something when he gets high enough level. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> It meant the same thing in 3e.  That elven wizard could totally hit an orc or a peasant conscript or something with his competently-wielded longsword.  Just not the Juggernaught of Doom with +64 natural armor.  That he had to use Dominate Monster on. "In combat" using all kinds of spells, sure.  'Fighting with weapons but not magic,' no, not if the fighter has better STR or DEX (depending on the weapon), or they've reached at least 5th level.  He could have been as proud of his swordsmanship as any fully-trained 0-level man at arms... IDK, it was a nice symmetry to on-casters not being able to cast anything.... ;P</blockquote>

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