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<blockquote data-quote="SlyFlourish" data-source="post: 9632799" data-attributes="member: 54840">We've seen various clickbait titles that &quot;D&amp;D 5e is dead!&quot; or &quot;is the OSR dying?&quot; which, I know, is just there to get a reaction. But the question is interesting to me because of how different this hobby is from many other electronic gaming hobbies where a core company controls the fate of a game.So what does it take for an RPG to die in this hobby?I think its actually a spectrum. Here's my indicators ordered by the least impactful to the true death of an RPG to the most impactful.<ul>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">A game's popularity (sales, search popularity, games played, or other metric) goes from a steep incline to leveling off.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">A game's main publisher no longer publishes material for it.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">Third party publishers no longer publish material for it.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">It's hard to find groups playing it at conventions.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">It's hard to find a group to join as a player anywhere.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">It's hard to put together a group and run it as a GM.</li>
<li data-xf-list-type="ul">It's hard to find the core material for the game at all.</li>
</ul>For you, what determines when a game is &quot;dying&quot; or even &quot;dead&quot;? What are some examples of games you consider dead.I think about some truly resilient games like Ironsworn. It's playable solo so you don't even need a group. The material is in PDF and freely available to download. I think it takes an awful lot for this game to truly &quot;die&quot;. As long as a person who wants it has it and plays it -- it lives.I think there's value in thinking about this because it helps us scope our own reactions when we see a beloved RPG fall off the radar or consider whether the game we love is on the decline and therefore &quot;dying&quot; when it's really not. By my own definitions, I think there's only one version of D&amp;D I would say is &quot;dead&quot; and that's 3.0. I can't seem to find legal digital copies anywhere and I don't know that I've seen anyone running 3.0 instead of 3.5. That feels pretty dead to me, but just about every other version of D&amp;D is still available and still played.What do you think?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="SlyFlourish, post: 9632799, member: 54840"] We've seen various clickbait titles that "D&D 5e is dead!" or "is the OSR dying?" which, I know, is just there to get a reaction. But the question is interesting to me because of how different this hobby is from many other electronic gaming hobbies where a core company controls the fate of a game. So what does it take for an RPG to die in this hobby? I think its actually a spectrum. Here's my indicators ordered by the least impactful to the true death of an RPG to the most impactful. [LIST] [*]A game's popularity (sales, search popularity, games played, or other metric) goes from a steep incline to leveling off. [*]A game's main publisher no longer publishes material for it. [*]Third party publishers no longer publish material for it. [*]It's hard to find groups playing it at conventions. [*]It's hard to find a group to join as a player anywhere. [*]It's hard to put together a group and run it as a GM. [*]It's hard to find the core material for the game at all. [/LIST] For you, what determines when a game is "dying" or even "dead"? What are some examples of games you consider dead. I think about some truly resilient games like Ironsworn. It's playable solo so you don't even need a group. The material is in PDF and freely available to download. I think it takes an awful lot for this game to truly "die". As long as a person who wants it has it and plays it -- it lives. I think there's value in thinking about this because it helps us scope our own reactions when we see a beloved RPG fall off the radar or consider whether the game we love is on the decline and therefore "dying" when it's really not. By my own definitions, I think there's only one version of D&D I would say is "dead" and that's 3.0. I can't seem to find legal digital copies anywhere and I don't know that I've seen anyone running 3.0 instead of 3.5. That feels pretty dead to me, but just about every other version of D&D is still available and still played. What do you think? [/QUOTE]

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