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<blockquote data-quote="Lord_Blacksteel" data-source="post: 9633994" data-attributes="member: 53082">I definitely agree with the idea of multiple levels of &quot;dead&quot; - out of print is one, lack of online discussion community is another, etc. In the early days of the internet it seemed like every obscure game had some dedicated fan that set up a GeoCities page for it and posted up their house rules or characters. Nowadays it feels like what you see for those are near-empty subreddits. The existence of it confirms that someone cared enough at some point, but the lack of posts for the last few years indicates that interest has, uh, &quot;dwindled&quot;, at leastLicensed games are definitely prone to this as mentioned above too since even the PDF's disappear. I loved Marvel Heroic but it didn't last long enough to generate a big fanbase and it's tricky to find the materials now if you did not acquire them when it was new. The d20 versions of Star Wars are in a similar boat. James Bond too, which is a shame.Lack of popularity also accelerates the decline. It's unlikely any version of D&amp;D will ever just completely disappear. In contrast several people have mentioned Lords of Creation which I bought new and loved and have run a few times over the decades but it was never popular and even players of a similar ...vintage ... may not have heard of it. Second example: Secret of Zir'an. Came out 20 years ago and disappeared almost instantly. You can still buy the PDF in this case but you'd have to know it existed to go do that.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lord_Blacksteel, post: 9633994, member: 53082"] I definitely agree with the idea of multiple levels of "dead" - out of print is one, lack of online discussion community is another, etc. In the early days of the internet it seemed like every obscure game had some dedicated fan that set up a GeoCities page for it and posted up their house rules or characters. Nowadays it feels like what you see for those are near-empty subreddits. The existence of it confirms that someone cared enough at some point, but the lack of posts for the last few years indicates that interest has, uh, "dwindled", at least Licensed games are definitely prone to this as mentioned above too since even the PDF's disappear. I loved Marvel Heroic but it didn't last long enough to generate a big fanbase and it's tricky to find the materials now if you did not acquire them when it was new. The d20 versions of Star Wars are in a similar boat. James Bond too, which is a shame. Lack of popularity also accelerates the decline. It's unlikely any version of D&D will ever just completely disappear. In contrast several people have mentioned Lords of Creation which I bought new and loved and have run a few times over the decades but it was never popular and even players of a similar ...vintage ... may not have heard of it. Second example: Secret of Zir'an. Came out 20 years ago and disappeared almost instantly. You can still buy the PDF in this case but you'd have to know it existed to go do that. [/QUOTE]

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