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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 7301953" data-attributes="member: 29398">OK, got that.And from there I'm having trouble parsing the following as a group, so I've lobbed in some questions:So...er...you run an evil campaign but you won't let the PCs be, by your definition, evil?Doesn't make sense, somehow.I don't think I'm reading this right, because to me it says that killing for whimsy (as defined above) is not OK but killing for xp acquisition is.What's the difference - particularly to those classes that gain xp via killing (e.g. any version of Assassin)?You've said you won't run a murderhobo campaign.&nbsp; What about a mercenary campaign, or a holy crusader campaign?It seems to me (and please correct me if I'm wrong) you're somewhat saying murderhobos have to be by definition chaotic evil, or close.&nbsp; Yet I'd hazard a guess we've all seen or run or DMed campaigns where characters of all alignments operate largely under a murderhobo ethic once they get into the field and it's them or us.&quot;Something that is simply killable&quot; may still have loot and still give xp, until and unless you as DM houserule that it doesn't.I also wonder if you're being a bit harsh with the term murderhobo in the first place.&nbsp; I certainly don't see it as meaning &quot;psychotic bloodthirsty killer who most civilizations would lock away never to be seen again&quot;, yet that seems to be the level of revulsion you have for them.I mean, hell, Thorin Oakenshield's party in The Hobbit were by and large murderhobos - they had no home, and they sure did some killing now and then.&nbsp; But they - or at least Thorin - didn't turn evil until they'd got their home back; and even that didn't last.&nbsp; Ditto the main Party in LotR - between the time they leave Rivendell and the crowning of Aragorn they're pretty much - you guessed it - murderhobos.&nbsp; And there's a whole lot of Orcs who would agree, were they still alive to do so. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Lan-&quot;by the time Pippin and Sam got to Mt. Doom they'd become mordorhobos&quot;-efan</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 7301953, member: 29398"] OK, got that. And from there I'm having trouble parsing the following as a group, so I've lobbed in some questions: So...er...you run an evil campaign but you won't let the PCs be, by your definition, evil? Doesn't make sense, somehow. I don't think I'm reading this right, because to me it says that killing for whimsy (as defined above) is not OK but killing for xp acquisition is. What's the difference - particularly to those classes that gain xp via killing (e.g. any version of Assassin)? You've said you won't run a murderhobo campaign. What about a mercenary campaign, or a holy crusader campaign? It seems to me (and please correct me if I'm wrong) you're somewhat saying murderhobos have to be by definition chaotic evil, or close. Yet I'd hazard a guess we've all seen or run or DMed campaigns where characters of all alignments operate largely under a murderhobo ethic once they get into the field and it's them or us. "Something that is simply killable" may still have loot and still give xp, until and unless you as DM houserule that it doesn't. I also wonder if you're being a bit harsh with the term murderhobo in the first place. I certainly don't see it as meaning "psychotic bloodthirsty killer who most civilizations would lock away never to be seen again", yet that seems to be the level of revulsion you have for them. I mean, hell, Thorin Oakenshield's party in The Hobbit were by and large murderhobos - they had no home, and they sure did some killing now and then. But they - or at least Thorin - didn't turn evil until they'd got their home back; and even that didn't last. Ditto the main Party in LotR - between the time they leave Rivendell and the crowning of Aragorn they're pretty much - you guessed it - murderhobos. And there's a whole lot of Orcs who would agree, were they still alive to do so. :) Lan-"by the time Pippin and Sam got to Mt. Doom they'd become mordorhobos"-efan [/QUOTE]

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