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What does the -4 penalty for Shooting into Melee really represent?
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<blockquote data-quote="DrSpunj" data-source="post: 692888" data-attributes="member: 994"><p><strong>Re: Re: Re: Thanks!</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I wholeheartedly agree, Nail. This thread was mostly to make sure I wasn't forgetting something and that our group does use a House Rule.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It does, and I don't want to debate this really since you're the DM and you've made your call. I'm happy with it, but looking closely at Caliban's suggestion mitigates many of the concerns you bring up. With his suggestion you're effectively trading a -4 penalty (or +20% chance) of simply missing your target (and your ally) entirely for a flat 20% chance of nailing your ally. Not a real "gain" there IMO since the former has *no* chance of hitting your ally while the latter does.</p><p></p><p>This does support your "party unity" point but when we used it the circumstances made sense. One example is our Fighter/Wizard who was very fond of Protection from Arrows. He'd cast that and then run in to mix it up in melee, which let the remainder of our group fire with impunity (a group tactic we had worked out before hand). Another example is a Psychic Warrior who had truly tried to maximize his AC (Expertise, Fighting Defensively, Inertial Armor, high Dex, etc.) who was not immune (since a 20 could still hit him) but with Chrysalis up most of time meant he hardly ever took damage even if he was struck (when providing cover, I mean, since we didn't use Caliban's suggestion, but I like it). Since these were tactics we had worked out before hand I would be the first to defend that they were very much in the spirit of the game and not "Metagame thinking" at all. Anyone should be able to recognize that you're far less likely to hurt your ally standing there in plate mail than the kobold in rags he's fighting! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> </p><p></p><p>Thanks for the posts all!</p><p>DrSpunj</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DrSpunj, post: 692888, member: 994"] [b]Re: Re: Re: Thanks![/b] I wholeheartedly agree, Nail. This thread was mostly to make sure I wasn't forgetting something and that our group does use a House Rule. It does, and I don't want to debate this really since you're the DM and you've made your call. I'm happy with it, but looking closely at Caliban's suggestion mitigates many of the concerns you bring up. With his suggestion you're effectively trading a -4 penalty (or +20% chance) of simply missing your target (and your ally) entirely for a flat 20% chance of nailing your ally. Not a real "gain" there IMO since the former has *no* chance of hitting your ally while the latter does. This does support your "party unity" point but when we used it the circumstances made sense. One example is our Fighter/Wizard who was very fond of Protection from Arrows. He'd cast that and then run in to mix it up in melee, which let the remainder of our group fire with impunity (a group tactic we had worked out before hand). Another example is a Psychic Warrior who had truly tried to maximize his AC (Expertise, Fighting Defensively, Inertial Armor, high Dex, etc.) who was not immune (since a 20 could still hit him) but with Chrysalis up most of time meant he hardly ever took damage even if he was struck (when providing cover, I mean, since we didn't use Caliban's suggestion, but I like it). Since these were tactics we had worked out before hand I would be the first to defend that they were very much in the spirit of the game and not "Metagame thinking" at all. Anyone should be able to recognize that you're far less likely to hurt your ally standing there in plate mail than the kobold in rags he's fighting! :p Thanks for the posts all! DrSpunj [/QUOTE]
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