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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 9176992" data-attributes="member: 15700"><p>Other than every other arrow bouncing off and Bard needing to use that specific arrow? I think it's pretty well inferred it's magical.</p><p></p><p><em>"Black arrow! I have saved you to the last. You have never failed me and always I have recovered you. I had you from my father and he from of old. If ever you came from the forges of the true king under the Mountain, go now and speed well!"</em>"</p><p></p><p>Sure seems like a classic powerful magical item to me. That description fits with how artifacts in the DMG were described.</p><p></p><p>I'd bet the vast majority of stories where a hero defeats a dragon or other such powerful monster, there's a magic item or two involved. Which makes sense, because highly crafted weapons like swords back then were cherished items of their own. We've got a lot of mythology around the magical power of uniquely named weapons:</p><p></p><p>Areadbhar: spear of Lugh</p><p>Ascalon: the sword/spear (it's been used for both) of the aforementioned St. George</p><p>Clarent: Mordred's sword, cousin to Excalibur</p><p>Excalibur: the most famous of them all</p><p>Durendal: Roland's sword</p><p>Fragarach: Manannán mac Lir and Lugh Lamfada</p><p>Gáe Bulga : spear of Cú Chulainn, given to him by Scáthach</p><p>Gram: used by Sigurd to slay a dragon</p><p>Gungnir: Odin's spear</p><p>Hrunting: Beowulf's sword</p><p>Joyeuse: The sword of Charlemagne</p><p>Lorg Mór: The greatclub of Dagda</p><p>Mjölnir: Thor's hammer</p><p>Singing Sword of Conaire Mór</p><p>Skofnung: The legendary weapon of King Hrólf Kraki</p><p>Sword of Freyr</p><p>Tyrfing</p><p>Fail-Not: Tristan's bow</p><p></p><p>You get the point. But there are a lot more than this:</p><p></p><p>Angrvaðall</p><p>Armor of Beowulf</p><p>Fail-Not</p><p>Mistilteinn</p><p>Shoes Of Víðarr</p><p>Svefnthorn</p><p>Ægishjálmur Helm Of Awe</p><p>Bradamante’s Lance</p><p>Carnennan</p><p>Cohuleen Druith</p><p>Dyrnwyn</p><p>Eldhrímnir</p><p>Gunnar’s Atgeir</p><p>Hrunting</p><p>Jökulsnautr</p><p>Lúin of Celtchar</p><p>Mimung</p><p>Orna</p><p>Peter Stumpp’s Magical Belt</p><p>Seven Mile Boots</p><p>Singing Sword of Conaire Mór</p><p>Stone Of Giramphiel</p><p>Ascalon</p><p>Chariot Of Morgan Mwynfawr</p><p>Dáinsleif</p><p>Devil’s Green Coat</p><p>Egil’ Wings</p><p>Girdle Of Brynhildr</p><p>Kantele</p><p>Levateinn</p><p>Excalibur</p><p>Olifant</p><p>Ragnar’s Shirt</p><p>Svalinn</p><p>Svíagris</p><p>Swan Cloak</p><p>Areadbhar</p><p>Armor of Örvar-Oddr</p><p>Bragi’s Harp</p><p>Claíomh Solais</p><p>Clarent</p><p>Durendal</p><p>Fjaðrhamr</p><p>Gae Assail</p><p>Gobán Saor’s Axe</p><p>Hamper Of Gwyddno Garanhir</p><p>Lorg Mór</p><p>Mantle of Arthur</p><p>Pridwen</p><p>Sword Of Freyr</p><p>Járngreipr</p><p>Joyeuse</p><p>Megingjörð</p><p>Mjölnir</p><p>Baugi</p><p>Pair Dadeni</p><p>Skíðblaðnir</p><p>Skofrung</p><p>Tarnhelm</p><p>Tyrfing</p><p></p><p>That all said, I think it's clear to see how the original fighter was mundane with their class being augmented by magical items. The early game emulated a lot of the mythology and folklore, and in mythology and folklore, while heroes did great feats of power without the aid of magic, most epic battles with dragons or other similar creatures did have the help of a magical item. And in 1e, the fighter could use the most magic items.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 9176992, member: 15700"] Other than every other arrow bouncing off and Bard needing to use that specific arrow? I think it's pretty well inferred it's magical. [I]"Black arrow! I have saved you to the last. You have never failed me and always I have recovered you. I had you from my father and he from of old. If ever you came from the forges of the true king under the Mountain, go now and speed well!"[/I]" Sure seems like a classic powerful magical item to me. That description fits with how artifacts in the DMG were described. I'd bet the vast majority of stories where a hero defeats a dragon or other such powerful monster, there's a magic item or two involved. Which makes sense, because highly crafted weapons like swords back then were cherished items of their own. We've got a lot of mythology around the magical power of uniquely named weapons: Areadbhar: spear of Lugh Ascalon: the sword/spear (it's been used for both) of the aforementioned St. George Clarent: Mordred's sword, cousin to Excalibur Excalibur: the most famous of them all Durendal: Roland's sword Fragarach: Manannán mac Lir and Lugh Lamfada Gáe Bulga : spear of Cú Chulainn, given to him by Scáthach Gram: used by Sigurd to slay a dragon Gungnir: Odin's spear Hrunting: Beowulf's sword Joyeuse: The sword of Charlemagne Lorg Mór: The greatclub of Dagda Mjölnir: Thor's hammer Singing Sword of Conaire Mór Skofnung: The legendary weapon of King Hrólf Kraki Sword of Freyr Tyrfing Fail-Not: Tristan's bow You get the point. But there are a lot more than this: Angrvaðall Armor of Beowulf Fail-Not Mistilteinn Shoes Of Víðarr Svefnthorn Ægishjálmur Helm Of Awe Bradamante’s Lance Carnennan Cohuleen Druith Dyrnwyn Eldhrímnir Gunnar’s Atgeir Hrunting Jökulsnautr Lúin of Celtchar Mimung Orna Peter Stumpp’s Magical Belt Seven Mile Boots Singing Sword of Conaire Mór Stone Of Giramphiel Ascalon Chariot Of Morgan Mwynfawr Dáinsleif Devil’s Green Coat Egil’ Wings Girdle Of Brynhildr Kantele Levateinn Excalibur Olifant Ragnar’s Shirt Svalinn Svíagris Swan Cloak Areadbhar Armor of Örvar-Oddr Bragi’s Harp Claíomh Solais Clarent Durendal Fjaðrhamr Gae Assail Gobán Saor’s Axe Hamper Of Gwyddno Garanhir Lorg Mór Mantle of Arthur Pridwen Sword Of Freyr Járngreipr Joyeuse Megingjörð Mjölnir Baugi Pair Dadeni Skíðblaðnir Skofrung Tarnhelm Tyrfing That all said, I think it's clear to see how the original fighter was mundane with their class being augmented by magical items. The early game emulated a lot of the mythology and folklore, and in mythology and folklore, while heroes did great feats of power without the aid of magic, most epic battles with dragons or other similar creatures did have the help of a magical item. And in 1e, the fighter could use the most magic items. [/QUOTE]
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