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What does the mundane high level fighter look like? [+]
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<blockquote data-quote="hawkeyefan" data-source="post: 9182328" data-attributes="member: 6785785"><p>But why do you appreciate it? Why is it important for all ogres to have the same stats? You yourself said that you may change them up depending on what role a given ogre may have. Why is consistency less important in those cases? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's both in both cases. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I fail to see how this is difficult at all, or anything that the GM isn't already doing when designing encounters or locations. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It's not ignoring the rules. It's having different rules for different participants. </p><p></p><p>You know... like how NPCs don't have full PC-like stats. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>In both cases they do. That's the point. You insist there's nothing in the world justifying the classification of a creature as a minion, but there absolutely is. Just as much as there is for any other change to a stat block for a given monster or NPC. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Why not? </p><p></p><p>"There are many ogres in this room. One towers above... Mord, the pit fighter. He has large shields strapped to his arms and legs like greaves and wields a great maul. The others are rank and file ogres, dangerous, but not nearly as threatening as Mord."</p><p></p><p>It's simple. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Sure, like I'm in sync with my boss when we disagree and I have to just do what they say anyway. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, no one is ignoring the rules. NPCs and PCs have different rules. </p><p></p><p>I mean, I don't know about you, but minion rules or not, if a monster has 1 hp left, a housecat is never going to kill it. Even in the unlikely evet that such a scenario came about that a house cat attacked an ogre, I'd just narrate the results as ineffective and move on. </p><p></p><p>I mean... the idea is rules that make high level martials effective, not house cats. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Again, no one is ignoring rules. Different rules apply. What it requires is the addition of a bunch of new rules or calculations that need to be done, rather than just going the minion route, which is incredibly easy to track at the table and doesn't require any kind of calculation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hawkeyefan, post: 9182328, member: 6785785"] But why do you appreciate it? Why is it important for all ogres to have the same stats? You yourself said that you may change them up depending on what role a given ogre may have. Why is consistency less important in those cases? It's both in both cases. I fail to see how this is difficult at all, or anything that the GM isn't already doing when designing encounters or locations. It's not ignoring the rules. It's having different rules for different participants. You know... like how NPCs don't have full PC-like stats. In both cases they do. That's the point. You insist there's nothing in the world justifying the classification of a creature as a minion, but there absolutely is. Just as much as there is for any other change to a stat block for a given monster or NPC. Why not? "There are many ogres in this room. One towers above... Mord, the pit fighter. He has large shields strapped to his arms and legs like greaves and wields a great maul. The others are rank and file ogres, dangerous, but not nearly as threatening as Mord." It's simple. Sure, like I'm in sync with my boss when we disagree and I have to just do what they say anyway. Again, no one is ignoring the rules. NPCs and PCs have different rules. I mean, I don't know about you, but minion rules or not, if a monster has 1 hp left, a housecat is never going to kill it. Even in the unlikely evet that such a scenario came about that a house cat attacked an ogre, I'd just narrate the results as ineffective and move on. I mean... the idea is rules that make high level martials effective, not house cats. Again, no one is ignoring rules. Different rules apply. What it requires is the addition of a bunch of new rules or calculations that need to be done, rather than just going the minion route, which is incredibly easy to track at the table and doesn't require any kind of calculation. [/QUOTE]
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