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<blockquote data-quote="Crimson Longinus" data-source="post: 9182404" data-attributes="member: 7025508">What I want is the fiction to rules connection to be objective. If certain fictional element is the game world is always paired with a certain rule element, then it makes a lot easier for me to assign rules to the fiction. Similarly this connection allows me to consistently extrapolate fiction from the rules. If it instead is a relative case-by-case variable then it makes things harder for me and more confusing to the players. I appreciate that other people might think these things differently, but this is how my head works and I have found that this is not at all uncommon.Yes, I know this is how it actually was in 4e, I played it a lot. But people seemed to ignore that aspect and focused on the one shot kills in this context of brainstorming solutions for 5e. And that it works like this just makes it worse to me. None of these stats represent anything anymore. Same thing can be represented by high AC and low HP or vice versa! To me it is just madness.I mean it absolutely is an awkward kludge to patch the fact that the maths of the game do not work otherwise. See, &quot;to make the maths work smoothly&quot;. A kludge. Just make the maths work smoothly in the first place.Feature, bug. One of those. <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" alt="🤷" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937.png" title="Person shrugging&nbsp; &nbsp; :person_shrugging:" data-shortname=":person_shrugging:" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" />And once that squire joins those demigods to fight the vrocks, the system breaks down.I'd say any other edition handles it better.And again, when the characters fight the ogres alongside the commoners the system breaks down.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Crimson Longinus, post: 9182404, member: 7025508"] What I want is the fiction to rules connection to be objective. If certain fictional element is the game world is always paired with a certain rule element, then it makes a lot easier for me to assign rules to the fiction. Similarly this connection allows me to consistently extrapolate fiction from the rules. If it instead is a relative case-by-case variable then it makes things harder for me and more confusing to the players. I appreciate that other people might think these things differently, but this is how my head works and I have found that this is not at all uncommon. Yes, I know this is how it actually was in 4e, I played it a lot. But people seemed to ignore that aspect and focused on the one shot kills in this context of brainstorming solutions for 5e. And that it works like this just makes it worse to me. None of these stats represent anything anymore. Same thing can be represented by high AC and low HP or vice versa! To me it is just madness. I mean it absolutely is an awkward kludge to patch the fact that the maths of the game do not work otherwise. See, "to make the maths work smoothly". A kludge. Just make the maths work smoothly in the first place. Feature, bug. One of those. 🤷 And once that squire joins those demigods to fight the vrocks, the system breaks down. I'd say any other edition handles it better. And again, when the characters fight the ogres alongside the commoners the system breaks down. [/QUOTE]

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