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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 9182430" data-attributes="member: 6801845">IMHO, 4E took in world logic, ripped it up, burned it, buried the ashes and then spit on the grave.  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />There was no way to otherwise accept that this ogre that was supposedly level 11 could die from slipping on a banana peel.  It didn't matter who was fighting that CR 11 ogre minion, it always had 1 HP.  Good I guess if you're a level 1 commoner named David fighting that level 11 Ogre named Goliath. It obviously didn't bother some people but I want the fantasy world and the rules that we use to interact with that fantasy world to have some grounding. HP is total crap, but at least it represents something in 5E.  Vastly oversimplified, far too simple for some people but it means something.  That, and minions destroyed much of that sense of growth.  If I'm in a level 1 group, a single ogre is kind of terrifying (and it should be).  If I'm in a higher level group, taking out an ogre or 10 may take a bit of work but when we're done we can look at each other and say "Remember when we were terrified of these things?" A minion? A minion will always be a cardboard cutout no matter what level you encounter it.Anyway ... back to prepping for an actual D&D game with people who actually enjoy the game and accept it for what it is.</blockquote>

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