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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 9182529" data-attributes="member: 996">TBF, there's a strong argument against using monster/enemy-NPC stat blocks against eachother (beyond, perhaps, the odd bit of mind-controlling - magic breaks all the rules, afterall).  There's not really a lot of point to the DM running through a combat the players don't participate in.  (I suppose it's not, like, a reprehensible thing to do, but it is, at best, a solitary bit of fun for the DM who enjoys that sort of thing.)OT1H, paragon PCs defending a town is a little below their paygrade, that's Heroic Tier stuff.  OTOH, 4e did have an issue when it came to having troops on the PC's side.  There were Companion characters that weren't quite monster stats and were tuned to work with a PC party, but that was it. You could create a Companion character with the swarm trait, and there's a unit of much lower-level people fighting along-side the heroes. I have done that, and, predictably, it slowed down combats having units of allies fighting units of enemies not direcly related to the PCs' part of the battle.  It wasn't quite the excrutiating experience it was for the players when I integrated their party into a Battlesytem unit in AD&D, but it did make for a very slow - huge, epic, but slow - "encounter"While I'd readily use swarms of medium humanoids as units for high-level PCs to fight, again, I don't find a lot of benefit to doing it on the player's side of any battle - such allies can just be described doing their thing across the battlefield, while play focuses on the, y'know, players.</blockquote>

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