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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 5105525" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>And in this case, in the context of this thread, you are objectively wrong. Because if we cut out of this thread all the posts where the people say that the people using the term 'videogamey' are bad wrong people for using the term, and if we cut out all the posts where someone says that the term has no meaning, and if we cut out all the posts where someone says that the offered meaning is wrong just because, and we just look at the few posters who actually answered the original poster's question we find a remarkable amount of agreement.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And it's hard to pare either my own or Oran77's definition down to a nice shortable quote, but I think that if you read both you'll find the idea of reducing player choice and DM dependency are aspects of both of our definitions. So very clearly, amongst the people who wrote all the above, there is some clear idea of what they mean and communication is taking place between us. Furthermore, there are several people that tried to answer the question with examples, whose objections to the examples would I think fit into one or more of the attempts by others in the thread to generalize. </p><p></p><p>The fact that you don't understand what is meant is not proof that the rest of us don't.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And if this thread degenerates into a flame war, the cause will be those that are saying, "I don't know what it means, but it can't mean that!!!" Those that have a definition (even a vague) one are generally not arguing amongst each other. Instead, they are being shouted down by those that lack a definition and insist therefore that everyone else should also lack one.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And it would, except that the discussion isn't about or limited to 'healing surges'. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Since when are we not allowed to label and publicly explore our responces to something and the reasons for it, and since when is that 'hiding'?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 5105525, member: 4937"] And in this case, in the context of this thread, you are objectively wrong. Because if we cut out of this thread all the posts where the people say that the people using the term 'videogamey' are bad wrong people for using the term, and if we cut out all the posts where someone says that the term has no meaning, and if we cut out all the posts where someone says that the offered meaning is wrong just because, and we just look at the few posters who actually answered the original poster's question we find a remarkable amount of agreement. And it's hard to pare either my own or Oran77's definition down to a nice shortable quote, but I think that if you read both you'll find the idea of reducing player choice and DM dependency are aspects of both of our definitions. So very clearly, amongst the people who wrote all the above, there is some clear idea of what they mean and communication is taking place between us. Furthermore, there are several people that tried to answer the question with examples, whose objections to the examples would I think fit into one or more of the attempts by others in the thread to generalize. The fact that you don't understand what is meant is not proof that the rest of us don't. And if this thread degenerates into a flame war, the cause will be those that are saying, "I don't know what it means, but it can't mean that!!!" Those that have a definition (even a vague) one are generally not arguing amongst each other. Instead, they are being shouted down by those that lack a definition and insist therefore that everyone else should also lack one. And it would, except that the discussion isn't about or limited to 'healing surges'. Since when are we not allowed to label and publicly explore our responces to something and the reasons for it, and since when is that 'hiding'? [/QUOTE]
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