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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 5106978" data-attributes="member: 19675">People don't have to ask what it means- they know its a referent to video games.  Greater specificity just starts pointless arguments.If you leave it alone, you'll save a lot of time and effort.How many definitions have been posted in this thread?  How many people who feel 4Ed is videogamey have been convinced otherwise?Why the need to discuss that aspect at all?There IS an intrinsic part of the game that makes me think of video games- the healing surges, in my case- instantly had me thinking of the little health bars on the screens of various combat games...and nothing you say can make me feel otherwise.  i know this because people on this board have been trying to do so since the game came out.There ARE intrinsic parts of the game that makes my buddies think of video games- the marking, the aggro and so many other things they found in the first half-hour of reading the books reminded them of things they love in the MMORPGs they play (and program)...and they wanted no part of it.  They still say that if they wanted to play an MMORPG, they'd skip game night and do so rather than playing 4Ed.I'm not ignoring it, I'm minimizing it.Sure, it has a negative connotation- one single connotation among many, and a connotation that, near as I can tell, is not the definition of the vast majority of those who use the term.Consider, the terms "boy" and "chief" both have negative connotations as well- both can be used as racial epithets.  Whether the specific use is or not is usually determined by overall context.That doesn't mean we don't use those words, however, even when directed at members of the races to whom those words would be uses as epithets.  My younger cousin is still a "boy."  A tribal leader is still a "Chief."I contend that persons whose first reaction that they're being insulted by the term are being as uncharitable and paranoid as my aunt who thinks that all whites are racists, even if they don't give her a reason to think that way.I, while recognizing that there are white racists (and racists of all races, of course), will wait to judge whether someone is racist by their other words & actions.  If I don't see any racist words or actions, I assume the best- that they are not racists.So my advice would be to assume that the person using the term "videogamey" is NOT being a troll, is NOT hurling an insult, until and unless they prove otherwise, rather than assuming the worst case scenario.I'd counter that everyone on these boards is familiar with the term videogamey and at least 5 ways it could be used.Getting specific isn't going to aid in any useful debate because you'll either 1) give a troll the opportunity to spew or 2) start trying to convince someone that their emotional observations are not valid.And you're not going to get anywhere doing that.If you claim that you're NOT trying to convince them their perception that 4Ed is "videogamey" is incorrect or somehow invalid, then what the heck do you need to know a precise definition of what that term means to them? Except it isn't in accord with my use of the word.  My use of the word is all about how its a mechanic that reminds me of arcade combat games like Tekken and MK.  I'm not saying that the mechanic isn't good or well thought out.  I'm not saying that it doesn't belong in P&P RPGs.  I'm not judging the quality of the mechanic at all.  I'm saying that the mechanic evokes in me a distaste that 4Ed is mimicking electronic games I enjoy, and that isn't why I'm playing D&D.But instead of all that, I'll stick to saying "videogamey", thank you very much.Videogamey is broad, not vague.</blockquote>

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