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<blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8754672" data-attributes="member: 6987520">Here's the thing (as others have sort of said):Every class can be good in combat, which makes sense due to combat being the most used pillar in many game styles IME.Now, other martials are also good in other pillars, beyond simply a skill proficiency. Rangers and Rogues can both excel at exploration, as can monks. With a little DM leeway, even Barbarians due to STR advantage while raging can really be impactful outside of combat.Paladins (due to high CHA typically) and Rogues (possible high CHA and/or expertise) can really shine in social at times.But for the Fighter, the only thing the only feature is maybe Action Surge IMO. Now, they do get the extra ASIs which could be used for feats to help in these areas, but a lot of players don't want to have to spend those feats in such a manner and feel the class should have something to help them out.In other words, if every martial can fight as well as a fighter, why can't the fighter do other things as well as those martial classes???</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DND_Reborn, post: 8754672, member: 6987520"] Here's the thing (as others have sort of said): Every class can be good in combat, which makes sense due to combat being the most used pillar in many game styles IME. Now, other martials are [I]also[/I] good in other pillars, beyond simply a skill proficiency. Rangers and Rogues can both excel at exploration, as can monks. With a little DM leeway, even Barbarians due to STR advantage while raging can really be impactful outside of combat. Paladins (due to high CHA typically) and Rogues (possible high CHA and/or expertise) can really shine in social at times. But for the Fighter, the only thing the only feature is maybe Action Surge IMO. Now, they do get the extra ASIs which [I]could[/I] be used for feats to help in these areas, but a lot of players don't want to have to spend those feats in such a manner and feel the class should have [I]something[/I] to help them out. In other words, if every martial can fight as well as a fighter, why can't the fighter do [I]other[/I] things as well as those martial classes??? [/QUOTE]

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