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<blockquote data-quote="bert1001 fka bert1000" data-source="post: 8756869" data-attributes="member: 7029588">Great examples of meaningful choices.The 4e Fighter is great within the context of 4e where big non combat utility spells were basically turned into a party resource through rituals, and things like skill challenges boosted / standardized skill contributions.For 5e, I would look to 4e as an example for combat complexity and add social / exploration abilities then unlock mythic martial stuff at 9+ to compete with full spellcasters in ability to bypass bounded accuracy, even wilder narrative control, etc.There is some cool stuff in 4e but when I looked recently, despite what some people imply, the 4e Fighter was really mundane, even at high levels.&nbsp; &nbsp; Fun and tactical and had some very cool powers but it's permission space (better then current 5e) was still pretty limited (it worked fine in high level 4e because of the changes to other classes but not as sure in 5e)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bert1001 fka bert1000, post: 8756869, member: 7029588"] Great examples of meaningful choices. The 4e Fighter is great within the context of 4e where big non combat utility spells were basically turned into a party resource through rituals, and things like skill challenges boosted / standardized skill contributions. For 5e, I would look to 4e as an example for combat complexity and add social / exploration abilities then unlock mythic martial stuff at 9+ to compete with full spellcasters in ability to bypass bounded accuracy, even wilder narrative control, etc. There is some cool stuff in 4e but when I looked recently, despite what some people imply, the 4e Fighter was really mundane, even at high levels. Fun and tactical and had some very cool powers but it's permission space (better then current 5e) was still pretty limited (it worked fine in high level 4e because of the changes to other classes but not as sure in 5e) [/QUOTE]

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