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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8757447" data-attributes="member: 87792">I'm not the one pretending that pickups and semis either take steps or weigh 40 tons. If monsters behave in ways that are very different from the normal humanoid baseline then the problem isn't with the fact that there is a baseline assumption for how creatures behave. It's with the individual monsters that are very different from the baseline but the rules don't bother to take that into account.And I note that in D&D this sort of "realism" restriction doesn't apply to wizards. <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Gust%20of%20Wind#content" target="_blank">Gust of Wind</a> can move an <a href="https://roll20.net/compendium/dnd5e/Earth%20Elemental#content" target="_blank">earth elemental</a> pretty reliably. Eldritch Blast can, via Repelling Blast, have an at will push effect that has nothing to do with target size and weight. D&D is a cinematic game that runs on Hollywood Physics - and . And yes I accept that you write massive spell blocks in order to make things marginally less unrealistic - but that is not baseline D&D.  Only because you are introducing bad exceptions. I literally pointed out that a 4e dwarf reduces the distance they are pushed. This is reduced not eliminated unless the reduction is to zero. Which it is in the case of Tide of Iron. If your Iron Golem reduces the distance they are pushed by 10 or even 15 foot then it doesn't miraculously mean that they can't be pushed by the God of Strength. When you write bad rules and then claim the result to be madness the problem is with your bad rules.In the meantime in the name of "realism" you are making it impossible to do something I literally used to do in combat as a not particularly skilled re-enactor. Just because you think that extreme edge cases might cause problems.Nice of you to warn me that more of your BS was incoming.When you are wounded you get weakened and less effective. Hits do not and never have had the debilitating effect of wounds unless the person being hit is reduced to 0hp. On one hp they are just as strong, fast, and competent as on full hp. When you take something more than a flesh wound you take significant time to recover. When you exert yourself you also take time to recover - with the high end being e.g. marathon runners taking about a month. Which is about as long as it takes to recover in the grittiest D&D editions.Hit points are only wounds in the way that protagonists of most action movies take wounds. Almost entirely either (a) cosmetic or (b) to add pacing and tension. With basically none of the real world consequences of wounds. [USER=6877472]@James Gasik[/USER] has posted Gygax' comments on what hit points are - and yet you insist in defiance of the mechanics that they are wounds. And that they are wounds in a way that isn't the same sort of wounds as happen in your average action movie, with mostly cosmetic impact.The problem here is that your game is not D&D using the rules as written. I have no doubt that Celebrim!D&D is a decent game - but it is not actually relevant to normal games of D&D. This is a thread about D&D 5th Edition (from the tags); Celebrim!D&D is approximately as relevant to that as GURPS or Fate. You can make suggestions as to how to improve 5e using your version of the game - but it is a different game and the only thing confusing the two does is causes confusion.In actual, published D&D first level fighters use action movie physics for their hit points. Also in actual, published D&D a Level 20 fighter uses the same encumbrance and exhaustion rules as a level 1 fighter - with the only differences being (a) the Level 20 fighter probably has a Str of 20, probably up from 16 at first level, and (b) they have higher Strength and Constitution saves. You know what hasn't changed? Their speed. They are still moving at the same 30ft per round (double if they take the dash action) as they were at first level. And the speed of a horse is 60ft per round (doubled if they take the dash action) and that hasn't changed as the fighter levels up.Or to sum up in actually published D&D  a level 20 fighter without outside magical assistance can probably carry about 25% more than a level 1 fighter before being slowed by encumberance. Not "a refrigerator on your back". And other than burning an Action Surge or two on dash a level 20 fighter without outside magical assistance runs at exactly the same speed as a level 1 fighter (although are more likely to pass endurance checks and so can run further). This is what the actual rules of D&D 5e make happen.So while [USER=4937]@Celebrim[/USER] D&D is apparently better than D&D 5e in the capabilities of a high level fighter it is a different game that works differently. And talking about how yours works just shows you have house rules that are not part of D&D 5e and are only relevant when proposing improvements to D&D 5e. Please stop confusing the published game for your house ruled version.In the real world I think we can agree there are no spell like mechanics involved in being an athlete. But also in the real world athletes can't and don't sprint at top speed all the time while they are running. They pace themselves. They decide when to jog to maintain their stamina and when to sprint. They don't have specific game mechanics in the real world but need them in game because the turn-based stop motion that the game uses isn't realistic, but chunks the fantasy world into digestible chunks.Your position is not hard to understand. It is just one that turns fighters into unrealistic untiring robots rather than people who pace themselves and behave like real world athletes. Meanwhile your average professional sportsman who saves their energy and only sprints occasionally because they can't do it all the time is, in your wild world, a spellcaster. Your position is not hard to understand intellectually. It just reflects a poor understanding of the real world and makes your fighters unrealistic.</blockquote>

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