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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 8762433" data-attributes="member: 23751">Let's say 3rd level.&nbsp; Wizards tank strength, so 8 strength and maybe 14 dex.&nbsp; The fighter is going to have a 16-18 in strength.Wizard with dagger: +4 to hit, 1d4+2 damageWizard with staff: +1 to hit, 1d6-1 damageFighter with longsword and dueling style: +5 to hit, 1d8+5 damageFighter with greatsword and great weapon fighting: +5 to hit, 2d6+3 damage, re-roll 1s and 2s one time.Average damage for wizard with dagger is 4.5.&nbsp; Average damage for the wizard with the staff is 2.5.Average damage for fighter with longsword is 6.5.&nbsp; Average damage for fighter with greatsword is 10.The wizard gets close to the same to hit ability with the dagger, but is hitting for rinky dink damage, and with the staff is supper crappy to hit and even worse damage.The fighter comes out ahead with the longsword and significantly ahead with the greatsword.&nbsp; He is even farther ahead if he started with an 18 strength and has another +1 to hit and damage.Let's face it. The wizard has a cantrip that has a better to hit and does more damage.&nbsp; If he's swinging his weapon, the player has done something wrong.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 8762433, member: 23751"] Let's say 3rd level. Wizards tank strength, so 8 strength and maybe 14 dex. The fighter is going to have a 16-18 in strength. Wizard with dagger: +4 to hit, 1d4+2 damage Wizard with staff: +1 to hit, 1d6-1 damage Fighter with longsword and dueling style: +5 to hit, 1d8+5 damage Fighter with greatsword and great weapon fighting: +5 to hit, 2d6+3 damage, re-roll 1s and 2s one time. Average damage for wizard with dagger is 4.5. Average damage for the wizard with the staff is 2.5. Average damage for fighter with longsword is 6.5. Average damage for fighter with greatsword is 10. The wizard gets close to the same to hit ability with the dagger, but is hitting for rinky dink damage, and with the staff is supper crappy to hit and even worse damage. The fighter comes out ahead with the longsword and significantly ahead with the greatsword. He is even farther ahead if he started with an 18 strength and has another +1 to hit and damage. Let's face it. The wizard has a cantrip that has a better to hit and does more damage. If he's swinging his weapon, the player has done something wrong. [/QUOTE]

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