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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 5059071" data-attributes="member: 82106">Realistically going just by the 1st three books Epic is perfectly playable. Plenty of people ran Epic games before even AV came out, though the vast majority probably didn't. Certainly VAST numbers of people ran Epic games before PHB2 and many before even MP. It did work. Epic game play HAS definitely been tweaked some, but not all that much. Its hard to say actually if it works better now than it did at the start. Honestly in my experience it isn't that much different. I think the dual primary stat classes were an attempt to pack in as much material in the PHB as possible. It would have been hard to get people playing a 4e with very few options right off the bat but there were only so many classes they could wedge into one book. So some of them are sort of 2-fers. The amusing thing I see with 4e is that the system is about 900 times mechanically superior to any previous edition. Ironically, but not entirely unpredictably if you are a student of human nature, this means that it comes in for about 900 times more criticism for the inevitable relatively minor flaws it does have. It was really fairly pointless to criticize the rules of 1e or 2e as they were way to loose and mechanically flimsy to even be worth much criticism. 3.x did get a good bit of criticism but in its case the flaws were so glaring and so embedded in the core mechanics that again most criticism was relatively pointless. Now we have a system where people vehemently criticize minor (and arguable intentional) shifts in to-hit numbers at higher levels. I guess its progress. At least its a lot easier to actually run the game as it was designed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 5059071, member: 82106"] Realistically going just by the 1st three books Epic is perfectly playable. Plenty of people ran Epic games before even AV came out, though the vast majority probably didn't. Certainly VAST numbers of people ran Epic games before PHB2 and many before even MP. It did work. Epic game play HAS definitely been tweaked some, but not all that much. Its hard to say actually if it works better now than it did at the start. Honestly in my experience it isn't that much different. I think the dual primary stat classes were an attempt to pack in as much material in the PHB as possible. It would have been hard to get people playing a 4e with very few options right off the bat but there were only so many classes they could wedge into one book. So some of them are sort of 2-fers. The amusing thing I see with 4e is that the system is about 900 times mechanically superior to any previous edition. Ironically, but not entirely unpredictably if you are a student of human nature, this means that it comes in for about 900 times more criticism for the inevitable relatively minor flaws it does have. It was really fairly pointless to criticize the rules of 1e or 2e as they were way to loose and mechanically flimsy to even be worth much criticism. 3.x did get a good bit of criticism but in its case the flaws were so glaring and so embedded in the core mechanics that again most criticism was relatively pointless. Now we have a system where people vehemently criticize minor (and arguable intentional) shifts in to-hit numbers at higher levels. I guess its progress. At least its a lot easier to actually run the game as it was designed. [/QUOTE]

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