Menu
News
All News
Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
Pathfinder
Starfinder
Warhammer
2d20 System
Year Zero Engine
Industry News
Reviews
Dragon Reflections
White Dwarf Reflections
Columns
Weekly Digests
Weekly News Digest
Freebies, Sales & Bundles
RPG Print News
RPG Crowdfunding News
Game Content
ENterplanetary DimENsions
Mythological Figures
Opinion
Worlds of Design
Peregrine's Nest
RPG Evolution
Other Columns
From the Freelancing Frontline
Monster ENcyclopedia
WotC/TSR Alumni Look Back
4 Hours w/RSD (Ryan Dancey)
The Road to 3E (Jonathan Tweet)
Greenwood's Realms (Ed Greenwood)
Drawmij's TSR (Jim Ward)
Community
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Resources
Wiki
Pages
Latest activity
Media
New media
New comments
Search media
Downloads
Latest reviews
Search resources
EN Publishing
Store
EN5ider
Adventures in ZEITGEIST
Awfully Cheerful Engine
What's OLD is NEW
Judge Dredd & The Worlds Of 2000AD
War of the Burning Sky
Level Up: Advanced 5E
Events & Releases
Upcoming Events
Private Events
Featured Events
Socials!
EN Publishing
Twitter
BlueSky
Facebook
Instagram
EN World
BlueSky
YouTube
Facebook
Twitter
Twitch
Podcast
Features
Top 5 RPGs Compiled Charts 2004-Present
Adventure Game Industry Market Research Summary (RPGs) V1.0
Ryan Dancey: Acquiring TSR
Q&A With Gary Gygax
D&D Rules FAQs
TSR, WotC, & Paizo: A Comparative History
D&D Pronunciation Guide
Million Dollar TTRPG Kickstarters
Tabletop RPG Podcast Hall of Fame
Eric Noah's Unofficial D&D 3rd Edition News
D&D in the Mainstream
D&D & RPG History
About Morrus
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
Forums & Topics
Forum List
Latest Posts
Forum list
*Dungeons & Dragons
Level Up: Advanced 5th Edition
D&D Older Editions
*TTRPGs General
*Pathfinder & Starfinder
EN Publishing
*Geek Talk & Media
Search forums
Chat/Discord
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
D&D Older Editions
What Doesn't 4E Do Well?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="SmiteMakesRight" data-source="post: 5065175" data-attributes="member: 87572"><p>Yeah, it's hard to make an accurate judgment having not played it yet, but I guess a lot of the uniqueness depends on what kinds of weapons and gear people decide to use with their abilities.</p><p></p><p>Oh no, I'm not saying Half-orcs are bad melee fighters as a whole. I know for certain that they would at least make excellent barbarians and rogues. Which is great because rogue looks most appealing to me. Problem is that I feel like they're too pinned into that. My fighter comment was referring more to the fighter class. I have always loved half-orcs, and am surprised to find myself loving them more after the switch to 4th edition rules/lore. But it seems weird that they're outclassed by humans fairly handily at the 'standard' melee class from what I've seen; or at least it being a toss-up between the two seems a little strange. And they aren't very good Wardens either, because the Warden's builds are specifically to avoid dumping points in DEX.</p><p></p><p>And I do like the overall style, and wished in 3.x that people would be a little more heroic, but like.. the classes with wings seem a little over the top. Overall, I want all the people to feel like they're heroes. But I want them to also feel like they're lesser heroes, etc.</p><p></p><p>The friends I've run with have always enjoyed my campaigns, but I also want to make sure I adjust to any changes I need to (though I hope I can find somebody else willing to DM this time, just because I'd like to be a player once in awhile). I was mucking around with character creation earlier, and noticed just how much harder it is for me to make a decision than it was in 3e. In a way, that probably is a good thing too. I can't say too much until I actually try it. But I will say I have faith in 4e so far, I just am uncomfortable about a few things. But it's natural when moving on to a new system.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SmiteMakesRight, post: 5065175, member: 87572"] Yeah, it's hard to make an accurate judgment having not played it yet, but I guess a lot of the uniqueness depends on what kinds of weapons and gear people decide to use with their abilities. Oh no, I'm not saying Half-orcs are bad melee fighters as a whole. I know for certain that they would at least make excellent barbarians and rogues. Which is great because rogue looks most appealing to me. Problem is that I feel like they're too pinned into that. My fighter comment was referring more to the fighter class. I have always loved half-orcs, and am surprised to find myself loving them more after the switch to 4th edition rules/lore. But it seems weird that they're outclassed by humans fairly handily at the 'standard' melee class from what I've seen; or at least it being a toss-up between the two seems a little strange. And they aren't very good Wardens either, because the Warden's builds are specifically to avoid dumping points in DEX. And I do like the overall style, and wished in 3.x that people would be a little more heroic, but like.. the classes with wings seem a little over the top. Overall, I want all the people to feel like they're heroes. But I want them to also feel like they're lesser heroes, etc. The friends I've run with have always enjoyed my campaigns, but I also want to make sure I adjust to any changes I need to (though I hope I can find somebody else willing to DM this time, just because I'd like to be a player once in awhile). I was mucking around with character creation earlier, and noticed just how much harder it is for me to make a decision than it was in 3e. In a way, that probably is a good thing too. I can't say too much until I actually try it. But I will say I have faith in 4e so far, I just am uncomfortable about a few things. But it's natural when moving on to a new system. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Community
General Tabletop Discussion
*Dungeons & Dragons
D&D Older Editions
What Doesn't 4E Do Well?
Top