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<blockquote data-quote="Andor" data-source="post: 5794396" data-attributes="member: 1879">I'll buy this. Basically any weapon that would make Jackie Chan stop and cock his head like a german shepard that heard a funny noise should belong in the &quot;Dragonlance gnome engineering source book.&quot;Really? A warlord doesn't seem fantasy enough for you? Or historical for that matter? I'll grant the 4e approach of &quot;I'll yell you healthy&quot; is off for most worlds but &quot;Good Leader&quot; is going too far?Classes that are setting specific like a FR spellfire weilder should not be in the base book. Classes that depend on non-core, weird, or rarely used mechanics like Incarnum should not be in the base book.Any class that doesn't break suspension of disbelief for generic fantasy world however is ok, imho, even if none of the 9 Walkers had that title on his name badge.Self-defeating argument. I've seen D&amp;D games with no race but humans, I've seen games with no humans. There simply is no race list that will please everyone, or fit every campaign. Agreed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Andor, post: 5794396, member: 1879"] I'll buy this. Basically any weapon that would make Jackie Chan stop and cock his head like a german shepard that heard a funny noise should belong in the "Dragonlance gnome engineering source book." Really? A warlord doesn't seem fantasy enough for you? Or historical for that matter? I'll grant the 4e approach of "I'll yell you healthy" is off for most worlds but "Good Leader" is going too far? Classes that are setting specific like a FR spellfire weilder should not be in the base book. Classes that depend on non-core, weird, or rarely used mechanics like Incarnum should not be in the base book. Any class that doesn't break suspension of disbelief for generic fantasy world however is ok, imho, even if none of the 9 Walkers had that title on his name badge. Self-defeating argument. I've seen D&D games with no race but humans, I've seen games with no humans. There simply [i]is[/i] no race list that will please everyone, or fit every campaign. Agreed. [/QUOTE]

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