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<blockquote data-quote="Valiant" data-source="post: 3905758" data-attributes="member: 54792">Guys, my point is that in AD&amp;D the rules were not written to be exposed to the players, only the DM.&nbsp; Thats the opposite in 3E.&nbsp; Clearly if Gygax had wanted the players from the get go to read teh DMG he would have suggested it.&nbsp; Instead he suggested the opposite.&nbsp; The fact that you couldn't keep your little fingers out of the pie wasn't his fault. Hussar wrote: -Certainly the idea that a new DM should wait up to two years learning the ropes as it were from a more experienced DM was never true.-IMO nobody should need 2 years to learn the ropes (we cert. didn't), we just enjoyed the DM we had (and preferred being players) for the first few years thats all (I always felt the DM got the worst of it honestly, I didn't realize what I was missing until I DMed&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ).&nbsp; The actual time it took me to learn (when our DM wanted to try just being a player for a while) was about 3 game sessions (with the DM sitting next to me helping me out), but that was just the basics (there's really not much to being a DM if you just use common sense and understand the tables).&nbsp; It was over the summer vacation, so less then a week anyway.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Valiant, post: 3905758, member: 54792"] Guys, my point is that in AD&D the rules were not written to be exposed to the players, only the DM. Thats the opposite in 3E. Clearly if Gygax had wanted the players from the get go to read teh DMG he would have suggested it. Instead he suggested the opposite. The fact that you couldn't keep your little fingers out of the pie wasn't his fault. Hussar wrote: -Certainly the idea that a new DM should wait up to two years learning the ropes as it were from a more experienced DM was never true.- IMO nobody should need 2 years to learn the ropes (we cert. didn't), we just enjoyed the DM we had (and preferred being players) for the first few years thats all (I always felt the DM got the worst of it honestly, I didn't realize what I was missing until I DMed ;) ). The actual time it took me to learn (when our DM wanted to try just being a player for a while) was about 3 game sessions (with the DM sitting next to me helping me out), but that was just the basics (there's really not much to being a DM if you just use common sense and understand the tables). It was over the summer vacation, so less then a week anyway. [/QUOTE]

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