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<blockquote data-quote="Gothmog" data-source="post: 3270155" data-attributes="member: 317">Yep, among my many gripes with D&amp;D, thats the #1 gripe- its so work intensive now you might as well run HERO or something equally arcane.&nbsp; Also 3E has so much rules bloat now if you&nbsp; use more than just 3 or 4 books, its worse than 2E ever was due to the focus on crunch and balance now.D&amp;D also does a very poor job of allowing for any campaign style or genre other than D&amp;D.&nbsp; Heroic fantasy- D&amp;D can do it somewhat, but Savage Worlds can do it so much better in my experience.&nbsp; Gritty and grim- D&amp;D can do it very poorly, but WHFRP2 is light years ahead in this department.&nbsp; D&amp;D is the 800 lb gorilla because it is a compromise system- can do do lots of things poorly to moderately, but nothing well other than the D&amp;D genre.&nbsp; If you like the D&amp;D genre, then its perfect for you- but if you enjoy a different genre, you're much better off trying a different system rather than pound the square D&amp;D peg into the round grim &amp; gritty hole, and dropping the monstrosity D&amp;D has become.J-Dawg's other comments I agree with, but they are minor compared to the two points I made above.&nbsp; Of the things J-Dawg lists, levels bother me the least because character advancement is pretty abstract in any system, and levels are the simplest, and for most players, most rewarding option.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gothmog, post: 3270155, member: 317"] Yep, among my many gripes with D&D, thats the #1 gripe- its so work intensive now you might as well run HERO or something equally arcane. Also 3E has so much rules bloat now if you use more than just 3 or 4 books, its worse than 2E ever was due to the focus on crunch and balance now. D&D also does a very poor job of allowing for any campaign style or genre other than D&D. Heroic fantasy- D&D can do it somewhat, but Savage Worlds can do it so much better in my experience. Gritty and grim- D&D can do it very poorly, but WHFRP2 is light years ahead in this department. D&D is the 800 lb gorilla because it is a compromise system- can do do lots of things poorly to moderately, but nothing well other than the D&D genre. If you like the D&D genre, then its perfect for you- but if you enjoy a different genre, you're much better off trying a different system rather than pound the square D&D peg into the round grim & gritty hole, and dropping the monstrosity D&D has become. J-Dawg's other comments I agree with, but they are minor compared to the two points I made above. Of the things J-Dawg lists, levels bother me the least because character advancement is pretty abstract in any system, and levels are the simplest, and for most players, most rewarding option. [/QUOTE]

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