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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EOL" data-source="post: 7440" data-attributes="member: 823">The whole topic of Dragon Challenge Ratings has been discussed before and the general consensus is that they are probably a little low.  A couple of reasons have been suggested:1- Dragons are so fearsome and destructive that the PC's will probably know because of the dragon's reputation that they are about to fight a dragon.  Because of this they will be prepared.  (Not applicable under the scenerio we're describing.)2- Dragons are THE creature in Dungeons and Dragons and as such they should be tough, tougher than an equivilant monster of the same CRIn any event I would suggest a young red give him a few more hitpoints if you feel like it, but I would not recommend a juvenile.  If played with any sort of intelligence it would easily kill most if not all of the party you describe.</blockquote>