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<blockquote data-quote="Pielorinho" data-source="post: 7631" data-attributes="member: 259">Maybe we're just wusses in the game I play in, but we decided that dragons should all have a CR of 2 above what's listed in the books, to accurately reflect the trouble they cause.We recently, as a party of 4 6th-level characters plus a 4th-level cohort, went unprepared against a CR5 dragon.&nbsp; Notwithstanding the fact that the paladin's mount was flying (yay potions), the dragon killed one character in the first round (said paladin) and forced the rest of us to flee with tails between legs.We leveled up and went back, this time prepared with over 1200 GP worth of scrolls (all buffing and protection spells).&nbsp; This time, the dragon survived for about 2 rounds.The designers say that IF you're prepared for the fight, you shoudl be able to take on a dragon of about the right CR.&nbsp; However, that's not what CR is supposed to represent.&nbsp; CR is supposed to represent a challenge that uses up about 25% of the party's resources -- hit points, spells, consumable magic items, etc.Would anyone argue that your average 9th-level party could take on 4 juvenile red dragons before resting?&nbsp; Especially if the dragons are played intelligently?&nbsp; Of course not.That's why we bump up the CR for dragons.Daniel</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Pielorinho, post: 7631, member: 259"] Maybe we're just wusses in the game I play in, but we decided that dragons should all have a CR of 2 above what's listed in the books, to accurately reflect the trouble they cause. We recently, as a party of 4 6th-level characters plus a 4th-level cohort, went unprepared against a CR5 dragon. Notwithstanding the fact that the paladin's mount was flying (yay potions), the dragon killed one character in the first round (said paladin) and forced the rest of us to flee with tails between legs. We leveled up and went back, this time prepared with over 1200 GP worth of scrolls (all buffing and protection spells). This time, the dragon survived for about 2 rounds. The designers say that IF you're prepared for the fight, you shoudl be able to take on a dragon of about the right CR. However, that's not what CR is supposed to represent. CR is supposed to represent a challenge that uses up about 25% of the party's resources -- hit points, spells, consumable magic items, etc. Would anyone argue that your average 9th-level party could take on 4 juvenile red dragons before resting? Especially if the dragons are played intelligently? Of course not. That's why we bump up the CR for dragons. Daniel [/QUOTE]

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