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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tessarael" data-source="post: 9693403" data-attributes="member: 12909">Part of my question alludes to the <a href="https://a5e.tools/spell/seed-bomb" target="_blank">Seed Bomb</a> enchantment being responsible for how the seeds can be thrown 60'. GPT4 reckons that a human could indeed throw a pine cone 60', but only 30' for a sunflower seed, and 15' for a tumbleweed seed. Those numbers seem reasonable as a rough guess of what is typically possible. Hence, even a human cannot throw two of the three Seed Bomb varieties that distance without magical assistance from the spell.As a DM, I would try to classify wild shape form manual agility based on real world examples. Monkeys, apes, koalas, lemurs, lorises, opossums, and raccoons have prehensile hands or paws. In most of these cases, the prehensile hands are for climbing, buts apes (including great apes and humans) have precision grips to manipulate small items for tool use. In contrast, while bears and squirrels are good at grasping items, their paws are not prehensile. I'd allow apes to use appropriately sized equipment for humanoids, with disadvantage for some particularly complex tools - e.g., Thieve's Tools. I'd allow other animals with grasping hands/paws to use simple tools too. For example, when I was a kid, one of our dogs knew how to open the gate latch to get out of the backyard, but a door knob would be too difficult for a dog to turn, due to the difficulty gripping it. Whereas, octopi are capable of turning knobs, unscrewing jar lids, and opening valves.One issue here is that A5E/D&D statistics are not a guide for such capability. For example, a Giant Octopus has Dexterity 12, whereas Dire Wolf and Tiger both have Dexterity 14. Possibly a better guide to this is Intelligence, if we tie A5E/D&D Intelligence to tool use. For example, an Ape has Intelligence 6, Giant Octopus and Raptor have Intelligence 4, Tiger has Intelligence 3, and Giant Spider has Intelligence 2.Back to the Seed Bomb spell, I'd argue that to throw a seed, the minimum capability is being able to grasp a seed. Prehensile animals can do so. Given that bears, great cats, etc., can swat and bat items, maybe it is okay to allow any wild shape forms with grasping capability to do the magically enhanced "throw" for a Seed Bomb enchanted seed too. Like [USER=7033455]W'rkncacnter[/USER] commented above, it is reasonable from a Doylist perspective for a Druid in wild shape that can grasp objects to use them, at least if they are not complex tools.</blockquote>

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