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<blockquote data-quote="The Shadow" data-source="post: 5996545" data-attributes="member: 16760"><img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":eek:" title="Eek!&nbsp; &nbsp; :eek:"&nbsp; data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":eek:" /> That... is a very interesting idea.&nbsp; In fact, it's an idea that harmonizes almost perfectly with an existing world of mine.&nbsp; (Originally 2e, then 3e, then True20.)&nbsp; Consider it swiped!&nbsp; Now I wish I knew what the remaining feats of Magic-User are.(Can't XP you, but would gladly do so if I could!)Wow, yet another reason for wizards to hate them both!&nbsp; And for wizards to take sorcerers in hand before they crash the system entirely...&quot;It's perpetual September for sorcerers, isn't it?&quot;&nbsp; If you'll permit me a little early net.humor. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Back at the OP:I can't get on board with your idea of warlocks as renegotiating the terms of mortal/divine relations, but it certainly did inspire quite a few thoughts in me.&nbsp; I view pact-givers as very, very wannabe gods.&nbsp; While there is a certain&nbsp; resemblance to divine magic, I can't see it as the same thing.(I just realized something, though:&nbsp; While the fluff makes them sound like crazed loners, warlocks would also work well as cultists!)You realize you almost make warlocks sound like unionizers, or even Bolsheviks, right? <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />&nbsp; &quot;Worshippers of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains!&quot;</blockquote>

[QUOTE="The Shadow, post: 5996545, member: 16760"] :eek: That... is a very interesting idea. In fact, it's an idea that harmonizes almost perfectly with an existing world of mine. (Originally 2e, then 3e, then True20.) Consider it swiped! Now I wish I knew what the remaining feats of Magic-User are. (Can't XP you, but would gladly do so if I could!) Wow, yet another reason for wizards to hate them both! And for wizards to take sorcerers in hand before they crash the system entirely... "It's perpetual September for sorcerers, isn't it?" If you'll permit me a little early net.humor. :) Back at the OP: I can't get on board with your idea of warlocks as renegotiating the terms of mortal/divine relations, but it certainly did inspire quite a few thoughts in me. I view pact-givers as very, very wannabe gods. While there is a certain resemblance to divine magic, I can't see it as the same thing. (I just realized something, though: While the fluff makes them sound like crazed loners, warlocks would also work well as cultists!) You realize you almost make warlocks sound like unionizers, or even Bolsheviks, right? :) "Worshippers of the world unite, you have nothing to lose but your chains!" [/QUOTE]

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