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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Spatzimaus" data-source="post: 1202349" data-attributes="member: 3051">Well, let's try the Soldarin method again:AHRN-AHMHit dice (2, giant?): +1.0(You said they gain the BAB from these as usual, but you didn't say which type of HD they were.  Monstrous Humanoid is d10, so it'd have to be Giant or Humanoid or something...)Size (Large): +1.0Physical stats (+8): +0.8Mental stats (-2): -0.1Skill bonuses (+14): +0.7(unless you meant that these are what he'll spend his Giant HD skill points on?)Scent: +0.2Bonus Feat: +0.2?Natural attacks: +0.2 (probably should be higher)Total: 4.0, so ECL +4, which means LA +2.  If the skill points are from the HD then it'd be ECL +3.You just can't underestimate how much being Large is worth.  An extra 5' of reach with every weapon is HUGE.The fact that he's Favored Class: Druid makes it a little better, but I'd still rather play him as a straight Ranger or Barbarian instead.  He wouldn't do well as a straight Druid; a loss of 3 or 4 caster levels puts him way behind the curve, and wildshaping would mean giving up his great physical stats.  I've played a race with Favored Class: None, it's not that bad to be forced to single-class, which is what'd happen here.SHESANARAgain, the same issues.HD (2, giant): +1.0Size (Large): +1.0Physical stats (+6): +0.6Mental stats (-2): -0.1Skill bonuses (+8 general, +4 conditional): +0.5Bonus Feats (2, but one of them is Endurance, which not only stinks, it's gained by all Rangers at level 3 now so it overlaps with your favored class): +0.2Total: +3.2, so clearly ECL 3.The other, more general comment is a flavor one.  If the Shesanar are Centaurs, add something related to that.  Maybe they can't wear normal armors, and instead use something closer to the barding rules.  But, since their humanoid parts are human-sized, they don't get the extra reach and use medium-sized weapons.</blockquote>

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