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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Spatzimaus" data-source="post: 1202551" data-attributes="member: 3051">And this is why I'd never, ever use SS to calculate ECL.  There's no fractional division, even in places where there obviously should be.  +1 for the Bonus Feats is way too large, because we're talking about at most two feats, at least one of which is fairly weak.Now, I'm not saying Soldarin's method is divinely inspired or anything, but it's a heck of a lot better than any of the more "official" methods.Then there's the HD thing.  SS says 1 HD = +1 ECL.  SS also says 1 level of a PC class = +1 ECL.  A Giant HD is seriously inferior to a Fighter level (d8 HD and 3/4 BAB), and yet they both give the same ECL boost?  That's why I use the Soldarin method, where 1 HD gives anything from 0.4 to 0.7 depending on its type (Outsider and Dragon give great benefits, while Humanoid gives terrible ones).This came up in the Half-Ogre threads that have popped up over the years.  SS says Half-Ogres are ECL +1.  Most people agreed that's too strong (being Large would be +1 in its own right, let alone the physical stat boost they get), so the two most popular solutions were:> Bump it to ECL +2 outright, or > Add two Giant HD (leaving it at LA +1) and call it ECL +3.  (Ogres are 4 Giant HD and LA+2, so the logic was that Half-Ogres should be half that)Under Soldarin's system these are equivalent.  Under Savage Species they're not.Anyway, back to the original point, I think you should tweak these a bit more, adding some more flavor.  Give the Centaurs a 50' or 60' base movement (horse speed) instead of the 40' they'd have for being Large.  Instead of Weapon Focus, just give them proficiency in those weapons (like an Elf).Give the wolfmen a little Natural Armor or DR 1/silver or something.  Instead of Scent, give them the Minor Scent ability (it's like Scent, but less range and higher DCs) with the ability to upgrade to full Scent using a Feat.And so on.</blockquote>

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