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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JEB" data-source="post: 8238934" data-attributes="member: 10148">Another comparison of two versions of the same poll: this time, between the responses to the above question as posted <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/what-elements-does-d-d-need-to-keep-conclusions-and-questions.679065/" target="_blank">here on ENWorld</a> and later <a href="https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/what-elements-does-d-d-need-to-keep.879146/" target="_blank">on rpg.net</a>. Got 34 responses on rpg.net, compared to 130 on ENWorld, so the sample size for rpg.net is only about 1/4 of ENWorld's... but the responses had some big differences still worth noting, IMHO.As a reminder, as laid out in the original post, voting for an element meant the respondent actively wanted to keep it; not voting for an element was either indifference, or actively wanting the element removed.Important caveat: As with previous polls ported to places other than ENWorld, I asked ENWorld folks to avoid answering the rpg.net version. Which may have skewed the results a bit from their "natural" form.Here are the results from both, in five tiers (bold items were in different tiers between each set of responses):<table style='width: 100%'><tr><td></td><td>ENWorld</td><td>rpg.net</td></tr><tr><td>Very important to keep (80% and up)</td><td>Distinct character classes [95.4%] Levels [93.1%] Ability scores (Str, Dex, Con, Int, Wis, Cha) [88.5%] Hit points [86.9%] Using multiple types of dice [84.6%]</td><td>Levels [84.8%] Distinct character classes [81.8%]</td></tr><tr><td>Important to keep (60% to 80%)</td><td>Armor Class [80.0%] Saving throws [76.9%] Distinct character races/lineages [74.6%] Lists of specific spells [70.0%] Initiative [66.9%]</td><td>Ability scores (Str, Dex, Con, Int, Wis, Cha) [75.8%] Hit points [69.7%] Distinct character races/lineages [63.6%] Armor Class [63.6%]</td></tr><tr><td>Debatable (40% to 60%)</td><td>Lists of specific magic items [57.7%] Advantage/disadvantage [49.2%] Damage types [48.5%] Multiclassing [45.4%] Proficiencies [45.4%] Lists of specific equipment [45.4%] Conditions [43.8%] Creature types [43.8%] Experience points [43.1%] Feats [42.3%]</td><td>Using multiple types of dice [54.5%] Saving throws [54.5%] Lists of specific spells [54.5%] Initiative [51.5%] Damage types [48.5%] Lists of specific magic items [48.5%] Conditions [45.5%] Experience points [42.4%] Creature types [42.4%]</td></tr><tr><td>Less important to keep (20% to 40%)</td><td>Hit dice [40.0%] Backgrounds [37.7%] Alignment [34.6%] Surprise [30.8%] Deities [30.0%]</td><td>Deities [39.4%] Advantage/disadvantage [39.4%] Multiclassing [36.4%] Lists of specific equipment [36.4%] Feats [33.3%] Proficiencies [33.3%] Backgrounds [30.3%] Hit dice [27.3%] Surprise [24.2%] Great Wheel cosmology [24.2%]</td></tr><tr><td>Not important to keep (20% and below)</td><td>Great Wheel cosmology [20.0%] Challenge ratings [20.0%] World Axis cosmology [8.5%]</td><td>Alignment [18.2%] Challenge ratings [18.2%] World Axis cosmology [12.1%]</td></tr></table>Observations:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Overall, rpg.net is much more willing to toss out, or at least live without, lots of established D&D elements. Most elements are around 10% less popular on rpg.net, even some of the biggest stuff. (Also of note - one of the "other" responses actually advocated for throwing everything out!)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">However, both forums do broadly seem to agree that D&D should keep levels and distinct classes - although ENWorld favors classes over levels, and rpg.net levels over classes.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Ability scores and hit points are less valued on rpg.net, although still considered fairly important to keep. Armor Class and character races/lineages less so, but also still considered important.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">One big surprise - multiple types of dice are about 34% less popular, knocked all the way down from "very important" to "debatable"! I don't know if that means many rpg.net folks would be happier with fewer dice, or if some even want to go diceless...</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Alignment is also significantly less popular on rpg.net - about 16% less popular and a full tier lower.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Damage types are exactly as popular percentage-wise on both (and both equally "debatable" too).</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Experience points are ranked about the same on both forums, though still in the low end of the "debatable" tier.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Deities are actually more popular on rpg.net, almost into the "debatable" tier.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Clearly a lot of folks have issues with challenge ratings.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The World Axis has a little more support on rpg.net, as with the "feel" poll, but so does the Great Wheel, surprisingly.</li> </ul>Combining both sets of results (164 results) to get "what forums might want D&D to keep":Very important to keep (80% and up):Distinct character classes: 151 [92.07%]Levels: 149 [90.85%]Ability scores [Str, Dex, Con, Int, Wis, Cha]: 140 [85.37%]Hit points: 136 [82.93%]Important to keep (60% to 80%):Using multiple types of dice: 128 [78.05%]Armor Class: 125 [76.22%]Distinct character races/lineages: 118 [71.95%]Saving throws: 118 [71.95%]Lists of specific spells: 109 [66.46%]Initiative: 104 [63.41%]Debatable (40% to 60%):Lists of specific magic items: 91 [55.49%]Damage types: 79 [48.17%]Advantage/disadvantage: 77 [46.95%]Conditions: 72 [43.90%]Creature types: 71 [43.29%]Multiclassing: 71 [43.29%]Lists of specific equipment: 71 [43.29%]Experience points: 70 [42.68%]Proficiencies: 70 [42.68%]Feats: 66 [40.24%]Less important to keep (20% to 40%):Hit dice: 61 [37.20%]Backgrounds: 59 [35.98%]Deities: 52 [31.71%]Alignment: 51 [31.10%]Surprise: 48 [29.27%]Great Wheel cosmology: 34 [20.73%]Not important to keep (20% and below):Challenge ratings: 32 [19.51%]World Axis cosmology: 15 [9.15%]</blockquote>

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