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Message: <blockquote data-quote="nhl_1997" data-source="post: 1739195" data-attributes="member: 22380">I do have one more argument that only the dice rolled receive the multiplier.A prestige class exists, probably in the complete divine, with these class abilities:level 1: All cure spells are automatically empoweredlevel 6: All cure spells are automatically maximized.  This supercedes the empowered ability.level 10: All cure spells are both empowered and maximizedApparently, whoever designed this prestige class was under the impression that maximized cures are better than empowered cures.  Perhaps, the reasoning is due to the stability factor noted by Dr_Rictus.  Let's look at Cure Serious Wounds at 15+ caster level....maximized: 39minimum empowered using magic missile example: 27maximum empowered: 58estimate of average: 42quick math note: getting the exact average is not as simple as taking (3*4.5+15)*1.5 (three dice with an average roll of 4.5) however it's a close enough estimate..... or perhaps it's because whoever designed this prestige class was under the impression that only the dice rolled receive the 1.5 multiplier.  Note, even if that is true, it doesn't necessarily mean that the empowered example in the PHB is wrong.  Instead, it simply means that different designers might have had alternative interprutations of the rule.I've said all I can on this topic.... will refrain from posting more until someone manages to convince me that I'm wrong.  That is actually quite possible.</blockquote>

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