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<blockquote data-quote="Dr_Rictus" data-source="post: 1739362" data-attributes="member: 850"><p>Yeah, that's the Radiant Servant of Pelor.</p><p></p><p>And I think this indicates a lack of thought on the part of the designer of the class, since under <em>either</em> interpretation there are reasons to prefer Empower to Maximize as well as vice versa. The potential upside for Empower is higher, so it's a better choice in a desperate situation where even the maximum result just won't do.</p><p></p><p>For example: say I have caster level 14, and I'm fighting an undead who I strongly believe has 50 hit points. And if I don't kill him this round, he's going to do something horrible. I'd rather use an Empowered <em>cure critical wounds</em> than a Maximized one any day, since it has at least a chance of doing 50 hit points of damage to him (under either interpretation), whereas a Maximized one has zero chance of doing so.</p><p></p><p>Not a situation that comes up a lot, but as you point out, for the logic of the class's ability progression to work, you really want Maximize to be <em>strictly</em> better than Empower in all ways. And it's not, no matter which way you slice it. </p><p></p><p>So, conversely, I don't see how you can construct an argument about which way to slice it based on a design goal of one feat being strictly better than the other. Which leaves you talking about which one is <em>generally</em> better than the other, which for most spells is in fact still (correctly) Maximize Spell.</p><p></p><p>(As an aside, personally, I allow Radiant Servants to choose between Maximize and Empower at 6th level).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Dr_Rictus, post: 1739362, member: 850"] Yeah, that's the Radiant Servant of Pelor. And I think this indicates a lack of thought on the part of the designer of the class, since under [i]either[/i] interpretation there are reasons to prefer Empower to Maximize as well as vice versa. The potential upside for Empower is higher, so it's a better choice in a desperate situation where even the maximum result just won't do. For example: say I have caster level 14, and I'm fighting an undead who I strongly believe has 50 hit points. And if I don't kill him this round, he's going to do something horrible. I'd rather use an Empowered [i]cure critical wounds[/i] than a Maximized one any day, since it has at least a chance of doing 50 hit points of damage to him (under either interpretation), whereas a Maximized one has zero chance of doing so. Not a situation that comes up a lot, but as you point out, for the logic of the class's ability progression to work, you really want Maximize to be [i]strictly[/i] better than Empower in all ways. And it's not, no matter which way you slice it. So, conversely, I don't see how you can construct an argument about which way to slice it based on a design goal of one feat being strictly better than the other. Which leaves you talking about which one is [i]generally[/i] better than the other, which for most spells is in fact still (correctly) Maximize Spell. (As an aside, personally, I allow Radiant Servants to choose between Maximize and Empower at 6th level). [/QUOTE]
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