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<blockquote data-quote="Ltheb Silverfrond" data-source="post: 4003160" data-attributes="member: 39867">Well, to be fair to undead, they suffer from a lot of limitations in epic levels. They need rediculous HD to have enough HP and BAB to threaten the average character, which means if you give them those HD, their save DCs are also inflated. (They also have way too many feats because of this) And their best defenses, like being immune to crits and many kinds of spells, don't mean anything in epic. As for umbrals, I really liked the artwork in the bestiary of the Unelemental. In a recent anime, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, the end villain looked just like one! (And had a strange echoing voice and a mishapen mouth which had the end result of making him really creepy) He was drawn as sort of a flickering chalkboard caricature. Sadly, he was only in a few scenes and never given a name. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown&nbsp; &nbsp; :("&nbsp; data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" /> (I think people on the internet refered to him as 'Chalkman' but he isn't given a name in the series; to be fair, he was the collective hivemind of a super-advanced race)So, I do like the Un-beings quite a bit, mainly because if described right they can really freak out PCs and they have qualities that make them decent threats as epic monsters.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ltheb Silverfrond, post: 4003160, member: 39867"] Well, to be fair to undead, they suffer from a lot of limitations in epic levels. They need rediculous HD to have enough HP and BAB to threaten the average character, which means if you give them those HD, their save DCs are also inflated. (They also have way too many feats because of this) And their best defenses, like being immune to crits and many kinds of spells, don't mean anything in epic. As for umbrals, I really liked the artwork in the bestiary of the Unelemental. In a recent anime, Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann, the end villain looked just like one! (And had a strange echoing voice and a mishapen mouth which had the end result of making him really creepy) He was drawn as sort of a flickering chalkboard caricature. Sadly, he was only in a few scenes and never given a name. :( (I think people on the internet refered to him as 'Chalkman' but he isn't given a name in the series; to be fair, he was the collective hivemind of a super-advanced race) So, I do like the Un-beings quite a bit, mainly because if described right they can really freak out PCs and they have qualities that make them decent threats as epic monsters. [/QUOTE]

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