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<blockquote data-quote="kigmatzomat" data-source="post: 3935510" data-attributes="member: 9254">Obviously your 2e players didn't argue with you about allowing the &quot;Player's Options&quot; or &quot;Tome of Magic&quot;, the &quot;Complete (race)&quot; or any of the dozens of 2e splat books.&nbsp; I ran 2e for about 10 years and I ran into the splat book escalation back then.&nbsp; Nothing to do with the edition.&nbsp; 1e had similar problems with Oriental Adventures and Unearthed Arcana.&nbsp; Not sure if the &quot;Immortals&quot; supplement for D&amp;D was as much of a problem but I'm sure the setting books introduced optional rules that started the process.&nbsp; Heck, virtually every Palladium game system was filthy with power creep, IIRC.Play style conflict.&nbsp; Your gamers are more &quot;tacticians&quot; and you're more &quot;storyteller.&quot;&nbsp; Nothing wrong with either but they don't necessarily mesh.&nbsp; There's also the possibility that your &quot;great&quot; story&quot; isn't such a great game.&nbsp;&nbsp; All to often &quot;Would you just let me entertain you?&quot; can be translated as &quot;Relax and enjoy the ride on the railroad.&quot;The only one of the campaigns I ran that ever crashed and burned was because I was more focused on the story than the game.&nbsp; There was railroading, unavoidable events, and what in retrospect was a Mary Sue NPC (Okay, he was a reincarnated King Arthur and the whole point of the plot was to send him away to Avalon but he came across as a Mary Sue).&nbsp; It's like I got DM cancer and was riddled with every bad game trope possible, just to make sure the The Story was told as I envisioned it.&nbsp; &nbsp; My players forgave me since most of them had been in my games for 5+ years and until the sudden craze to &quot;Tell the Great Story&quot; the campaign was fine.&nbsp; The game only lasted for a year after that but I never forgot the lesson.&nbsp; Great Gaming is always FunGreat Story are not necessarily Great GamingTherefore Great Story are not necessarily FunAs a player I hate GMs who want to &quot;tell a great story&quot; because inevitably their great story conflicts with my character's personal legend.&nbsp; I want GMs who set up a great world, and create great plots where the players actions result in a great story.&nbsp; That's the GM I try to be for my players.&nbsp; Semantics, but important semantics.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="kigmatzomat, post: 3935510, member: 9254"] Obviously your 2e players didn't argue with you about allowing the "Player's Options" or "Tome of Magic", the "Complete (race)" or any of the dozens of 2e splat books. I ran 2e for about 10 years and I ran into the splat book escalation back then. Nothing to do with the edition. 1e had similar problems with Oriental Adventures and Unearthed Arcana. Not sure if the "Immortals" supplement for D&D was as much of a problem but I'm sure the setting books introduced optional rules that started the process. Heck, virtually every Palladium game system was filthy with power creep, IIRC. Play style conflict. Your gamers are more "tacticians" and you're more "storyteller." Nothing wrong with either but they don't necessarily mesh. There's also the possibility that your "great" story" isn't such a great game. All to often "Would you just let me entertain you?" can be translated as "Relax and enjoy the ride on the railroad." The only one of the campaigns I ran that ever crashed and burned was because I was more focused on the [i]story[/i] than the [i]game.[/i] There was railroading, unavoidable events, and what in retrospect was a Mary Sue NPC (Okay, he was a reincarnated King Arthur and the whole point of the plot was to send him away to Avalon but he came across as a Mary Sue). It's like I got DM cancer and was riddled with every bad game trope possible, just to make sure the [b]The Story[/b] was told as I envisioned it. My players forgave me since most of them had been in my games for 5+ years and until the sudden craze to "Tell the Great Story" the campaign was fine. The game only lasted for a year after that but I never forgot the lesson. [b] Great Gaming is always Fun Great Story are not necessarily Great Gaming Therefore Great Story are not necessarily Fun [/b] As a player I hate GMs who want to "tell a great story" because inevitably their great story conflicts with my character's personal legend. I want GMs who set up a great world, and create great plots where the players actions result in a great story. That's the GM I try to be for my players. Semantics, but important semantics. [/QUOTE]

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