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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zappo" data-source="post: 1543500" data-attributes="member: 633">Right. So? As long as he doesn't annoy Real Golfers, where's the problem?If you set certain parameters for your games, you will have to find players that meet them. You cannot expect every player to meet them.Role-players taking the ridicule? Never happened once in my life, not by anyone above 12. It's usually the opposite.If roleplaying is an "effort", as opposed to something you like doing, I too wonder why I should do it, reward or not.Yup. Newbies. And before long, they either stop doing it, or leave the group. Treating adults like adults works.That's only true if you accept two assumptions - first, that players need to be told what they like with the carrot and the stick; second, that role-playing is the one right way to game. I disagree with both.  For the first: I do have some loose style preferences, though I wouldn't call them requirements. I tell them to newbies, they respect them. It's that easy. The second is, well, a matter of opinion at heart. There is something that can be said, though. It is an unfortunate truth that many more players are interested in the numbers than those who are interested in role-playing: it could be that by being relatively light on the role-playing aspect, the game can get on more tables and reach more players that simply wouldn't be interested otherwise. Surely this is a desirable thing? Especially considering that Real Roleplaying is a rather advanced stage for a player; the vast majority of newbies are used to numbers and squares and don't feel comfortable at all with role-playing. A kind of soft start, if you wish (remember that D&D is an entry game). I don't know if this is actually the case... food for thought.Yeah, it would. I doubt that anything else could.  Personally, I started playing with OD&D, moved to 2E after 5 years or so, and then I moved to 3E when it was out. I played lots of other games, but the total time spent on all of them together is still less than what I spent playing some incarnation of D&D. We did no roleplaying to speak of while playing OD&D, did some in 2E, and do a lot now with 3E.  Now, I haven't brought editions into the equation yet. I have an opinion about that, but I'll write it later in some other post.</blockquote>

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