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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 1546354" data-attributes="member: 463">Bendris - after reading lots of good stuff by takyris in support of the rules &amp; explaining how they're actually meant to work (eg on a recent thread about using the Bluff &amp; Diplomacy skills) I think your best point was your earlier one that it's not the d20 mechanics per se that are at fault, rather an attitude that 3e seems to encourage - perhaps by the way the 3e books are written - that actual roleplay is ancillary &amp; unnecessary to the playing &amp; enjoyment of a &quot;roleplaying game&quot;.&nbsp; This may be because many WoTC employees prefer card games &amp; skirmish wargaming to roleplaying.&nbsp; It may be an inverse snobbery directed at World of Darkness-playing &quot;role-wimp&quot; elitists who sneer at D&amp;D simply for being D&amp;D (and I bow to no man in my despite towards that lot!).&nbsp; It may be a pragmatic marketing decision that downplaying the roleplaying element of RPGs is the way to sell more PHBs to the videogame generation.I don't know what it is.&nbsp; There does seem to be something there, though.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 1546354, member: 463"] Bendris - after reading lots of good stuff by takyris in support of the rules & explaining how they're actually meant to work (eg on a recent thread about using the Bluff & Diplomacy skills) I think your best point was your earlier one that it's not the d20 mechanics per se that are at fault, rather an attitude that 3e seems to encourage - perhaps by the way the 3e books are written - that actual roleplay is ancillary & unnecessary to the playing & enjoyment of a "roleplaying game". This may be because many WoTC employees prefer card games & skirmish wargaming to roleplaying. It may be an inverse snobbery directed at World of Darkness-playing "role-wimp" elitists who sneer at D&D simply for being D&D (and I bow to no man in my despite towards that lot!). It may be a pragmatic marketing decision that downplaying the roleplaying element of RPGs is the way to sell more PHBs to the videogame generation. I don't know what it is. There does seem to be something there, though. [/QUOTE]

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