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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Bendris Noulg" data-source="post: 1546944" data-attributes="member: 6398">Yep, this would indeed be the heart of the matter. And I would agree if the opposing stance was the role-play is ancillary & unnecessary to play Dungeons & Dragons. All I'm really disagreeing with is the idea that a lack of role-playing still equates to a Role-Playing Game (see my pending reply to Icebear for more on this...). I think all of this had, to some degree, something to do with it. Indeed, where people are asking us to point out hostility towards role-play, there isn't any (aside from clearly biased posting and moderating practices on the WotC boards, that is). However, there is a completely dismissive approach to role-play, and it's this dismissiveness that fails to promote inclusion to role-play. As the game becomes more popular, you end up with new gamers that don't even consider role-playing or, when considering it, they find the concept greeted with posts relating horror-stories of Shakespearian Thespianism and White Wolf angst and other comments that make the concept appear unappealing, unacceptable, or, at worst, the purview of other game systems, and that this is coming from people that have played the game for years. Again, though, this is related to my actual experience at the WotC boards. That said, it doesn't surprise me that, here, people are of a completely different view, as their experiences have probably not had this facet of the community rub on them to the point of irritation. Indeed, like I posted earlier, I came here because, aside from 2-3 individuals, this place is far less irritating, and the Ignore function handles those individuals quite nicely. For instance, most of the people of the opposing camp have all posted examples of Diplomacy, Bluff, etc., being used as a means of resolving role-play rather than avoiding it. (I was indeed about to agree with Icebear on that until I saw the Elitist comment, see next post...) This is pretty much how I use them (and posted so earlier in this thread). However, my experience at the WotC boards found that suggesting such usage over there doesn't just get you into a debate, it gets you flamed! Or they just call you a troll just for bringing it up.</blockquote>

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