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<blockquote data-quote="haakon1" data-source="post: 4344482" data-attributes="member: 25619">#5 is the original meaning.#4 is a cute derivative of #5, as war gaming's most popular setting is Napoleonics#1 comes from #4, as early D&amp;D sprung from war gaming#2 comes from #1, as old schoolers are old schoolers#3 is just repeating #2 in a pejorative way, IMHO.Keys to grognarditude, IMHO:-- Don't like 4e, especially the &quot;non-Gygaxian&quot; stuff like Dragonborn and Tieflings-- Can identify a halberd-ish thing versus a glaive-ish thing by sight, from real historical artifacts or illustrations, and actually cares about this sort of thing.-- Usually interested in real world history, real world mythology, and classic fantasy (Tolkien, CS Lewis, Conan, etc.)-- Usually a fan of Gygax &amp; Greyhawk, or perhaps Forgotten Realms, or the City State of Invincible Overlord and other pre-3e settings-- Tend to care about fluff (all of the above) more than mechanics, and to want the mechanics to reflect some reality outside the game (not just game balance, &quot;fun&quot;, etc.)Orius said:&lt;&lt;I remember in a previous discussion here, Gary said his definition of grognard was someone who's been consistently playing RPGs for 10+ years.&gt;&gt;That works for me too.As for &quot;grognard&quot; being an insult, that's not how I hear it at all.&nbsp; I'm proud of it/aspire to be more like it.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="haakon1, post: 4344482, member: 25619"] #5 is the original meaning. #4 is a cute derivative of #5, as war gaming's most popular setting is Napoleonics #1 comes from #4, as early D&D sprung from war gaming #2 comes from #1, as old schoolers are old schoolers #3 is just repeating #2 in a pejorative way, IMHO. Keys to grognarditude, IMHO: -- Don't like 4e, especially the "non-Gygaxian" stuff like Dragonborn and Tieflings -- Can identify a halberd-ish thing versus a glaive-ish thing by sight, from real historical artifacts or illustrations, and actually cares about this sort of thing. -- Usually interested in real world history, real world mythology, and classic fantasy (Tolkien, CS Lewis, Conan, etc.) -- Usually a fan of Gygax & Greyhawk, or perhaps Forgotten Realms, or the City State of Invincible Overlord and other pre-3e settings -- Tend to care about fluff (all of the above) more than mechanics, and to want the mechanics to reflect some reality outside the game (not just game balance, "fun", etc.) Orius said: <> That works for me too. As for "grognard" being an insult, that's not how I hear it at all. I'm proud of it/aspire to be more like it. :) [/QUOTE]

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